Finding Velocity and Acceleration based on position of X & Y

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The discussion revolves around finding the magnitude and direction of velocity and acceleration based on given x and y position equations at a specific time. The equations provided are x = 4t and y = 30 - 2.2t^2 in one instance, and x = 8t and y = 30 - 2.2t in another. Participants are exploring how to derive these quantities and the appropriate methods for doing so.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to calculate velocity and acceleration using derivatives and the Pythagorean theorem. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of angles and whether to express answers in vector form or as magnitudes. Some participants are also discussing the necessity of including unit vectors in their expressions.

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The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on the representation of vectors and the need for clarity in distinguishing between magnitude and direction. There is a focus on ensuring that the calculations align with the problem's requirements.

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Participants are navigating constraints related to homework guidelines, such as the requirement to provide both magnitude and direction for velocity and acceleration. There is also mention of confusion regarding the use of different mathematical approaches, such as the Pythagorean theorem versus kinematic equations.

Lori

1. Homework Statement

Given x and y position ... find magnitude of both velocity and acceleration and their direction at t = 2 ?

x = 4t
y = 30 - 2.2t^2

would the velocity's magnitude be sqrt(8^2 + 8.8^2) ?

Homework Equations


v = sqrt(vy^2 + vx^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



vy = -8.8
vx= 8

v = sqrt((8)^2 +(-8.8^2)) = 11.89 m/s

atan(8/) = 42 degrees east of south

Is this how I'm suppose to find velocity?
 
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Lori said:

Homework Statement


Given x and y position ... find magnitude of both velocity and acceleration and their direction at t = 2 ?

x = 8t
y = 30 - 2.2t

would the velocity's magnitude be sqrt(8^2 + 2.2^2) ?

Homework Equations


v = sqrt(vy^2 + vx^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



vy = -2.2
vx= 8

v = sqrt((-2.2)^ +(8^2)) = 9.1 m/s

atan(-2.2/8) = 15 degrees east of south

Is this how I'm suppose to find velocity?

That is how I would have done it, but I would have described arctan(-2.2/8) correctly. A a simple sketch would reveal what is wrong with your description of the angle.
 
Ray Vickson said:
That is how I would have done it, but I would have described arctan(-2.2/8) correctly. A a simple sketch would reveal what is wrong with your description of the angle.
Would it be 15 degrees south of east?
 
Lori said:
Would it be 15 degrees south of east?

And is acceleration just derivative of velocity so
v = (8)i + 4.4t(j)
a = 0 - 4.4 = -4.4 m/s^2 ? How do i find direction of velocity? Would it be directly southward?
 
Lori said:
Would it be 15 degrees south of east?
Yep.
Lori said:
And is acceleration just derivative of velocity so
v = (8)i + 4.4t(j)
a = 0 - 4.4 = -4.4 m/s^2 ? How do i find direction of velocity? Would it be directly southward?
How did you get that v?
Edit: Oh, I see you updated the problem statement.
Can we find vx and vy as derivatives of x and y -- without substituting t?
And then find ax and ay as derivatives of vx and vy?
 
Lori said:
Would it be 15 degrees south of east?

Yes.
 
Lori said:
And is acceleration just derivative of velocity so
v = (8)i + 4.4t(j)
a = 0 - 4.4 = -4.4 m/s^2 ? How do i find direction of velocity? Would it be directly southward?

The acceleration is a vector, not a scalar, so you need to include the i and j unit vectors in your expression for a. Then you will be able to answer your own question---a habit you should develop as part of your learning process.
 
How do i know if i should give my answer in vector form cause the problem i have is that it asked to give the magnitude . Isnt magnitude just the numerical value?

I have to solve many physics problems involving the x and y directions for velocity, acceleration, position... but like i get confused on whether i should include vector units or not.

This is basically the reason why I wanted to make sure that i was answering the question right. I was confused on whether i should use the pythagorean formula and square the x and y components to get the velocity/acceleration OR if i was suppose to use the Kinematic equations and plug in numbers and solve
 
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Lori said:
How do i know if i should give my answer in vector form cause the problem i have is that it asked to give the magnitude . Isnt magnitude just the numerical value?

I have to solve many physics problems involving the x and y directions for velocity, acceleration, position... but like i get confused on whether i should include vector units or not.

This is basically the reason why I wanted to make sure that i was answering the question right. I was confused on whether i should use the pythagorean formula and square the x and y components to get the velocity/acceleration OR if i was suppose to use the Kinematic equations and plug in numbers and solve

The question asked you to find the magnitude and direction for both velocity and acceleration. Anyway, I was really objecting to your writing velocity v as a vector on one line and acceleration a as a scalar on the very next line. You would be better off writing vectors using a bold font, such as v; then the magnitude of that vector could be written as v (not bold) or |v| or |v|.
 
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In this case we have to find the vector components first, before we can find the magnitude and direction.
 

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