Acceleration always perpendicular to velocity

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between acceleration and velocity vectors, particularly when the acceleration is always perpendicular to the velocity. Participants explore the implications of this condition on the path of a particle and whether it indicates uniform circular motion (UCM).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants examine the mathematical relationship between acceleration and velocity, particularly through the dot product being zero. They question how to determine if speed is constant without knowing the final path and discuss the implications of acceleration and velocity not being perpendicular.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some participants suggest integrating to explore the relationships further, while others express uncertainty about linking the concepts back to the original conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are ongoing questions about the assumptions regarding the constancy of speed and the nature of the path taken by the particle, particularly in scenarios where acceleration and velocity vectors change in magnitude over time.

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Homework Statement



If the acceleration/force vector is always perpendicular to the velocity vector, what is the path?

Homework Equations



F=ma
a dot v=0


The Attempt at a Solution



We know that the dot product of a and v is zero such that

vx*vx'+vy*vy'=0 where vx'=dvx/dt

Also, I know this would be UCM, and given that I could say that the speed is constant. However, how would you know speed is constant not knowing the final path?

In addition, extending this further, how would know what path a particle took given acceleration and velocity vectors. That is to say, what if acceleration and velocity were not always perpendicular and also changed in magnitude with time?
 
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hi randomafk! welcome to pf! :smile:
randomafk said:
… how would you know speed is constant not knowing the final path?

v.v' = 0 :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
hi randomafk! welcome to pf! :smile:


v.v' = 0 :wink:


thanks for the welcome and help

if s=speed, then
s=sqrt(v.v)
How does this thing relate to v.v' = 0

Even if you knew that speed is constant, how could that demonstrate UCM?
 


randomafk said:
thanks for the welcome and help

if s=speed, then
s=sqrt(v.v)
How does this thing relate to v.v' = 0

Even if you knew that speed is constant, how could that demonstrate UCM?

What happens to the velocity vector ?
 
randomafk said:
How does this thing relate to v.v' = 0

integrate :wink:
 
The velocity vector should stay constant in magnitude but change direction

tiny-tim said:
integrate :wink:

okay. so if i do an integral over dv

dv=a dt

[tex]\int[/tex]v.dv = [tex]\int[/tex] v.adt=C since v.a=0 for all t

I still can't figure how to link back to v.v=0
 
(just got up :zzz: …)

d(v.v)/dt = 2v.dv/dt :wink:
 

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