Acceleration as a function of x to a function of time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between acceleration, force, and motion in one dimension, specifically examining the implications of different signs in the gravitational force equation. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of these concepts and their interpretations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the gravitational force should be represented as $$F = -\displaystyle {GMm\over x^2}$$ or $$F = +\displaystyle{GMm\over x^2}$$, indicating a potential disagreement on the sign convention.
  • There is mention of an analytical solution for the equation $$x'' = -1/x^2$$, suggesting that it is a more complex differential equation than the alternative with a positive sign.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the sign in the force equation, with one noting that it could represent a repulsive gravitational force if positive.
  • One participant presents a manipulation of the equation $$\frac{dv}{dt}=-\frac{GM}{x^2}$$, leading to a differential equation involving velocity and position.
  • There is a question about how to integrate the resulting equation over a time interval to find velocity as a function of time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct sign for the gravitational force equation, and multiple competing views remain regarding its implications and the resulting equations of motion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the integration of the equations discussed, and the implications of the sign in the force equation are not fully clarified.

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In 1 dimension ?
 
BvU said:
In 1 dimension ?

Yes
 
And is $$F = -\displaystyle {GMm\over x^2} $$ or is $$F = +\displaystyle{GMm\over x^2} $$ as on the whyteboard ?
 
BvU said:
And is $$F = -\displaystyle {GMm\over x^2} $$ or is $$F = +\displaystyle{GMm\over x^2} $$ as on the whyteboard ?

Positive
 
I didn't do anything except enter the thing in wolframalpha !
 
BvU said:
I didn't do anything except enter the thing in wolframalpha !

So what does that equation mean?
 
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$$\frac{dv}{dt}=-\frac{GM}{x^2}$$If you multiply both sides of this equation by v=dx/dt, you get:$$v\frac{dv}{dt}=-\frac{MG}{x^2}\frac{dx}{dt}$$Both sides of this equation are exact differentials with respect to time.
 
  • #13
Chestermiller said:
$$\frac{dv}{dt}=-\frac{GM}{x^2}$$If you multiply both sides of this equation by v=dx/dt, you get:$$v\frac{dv}{dt}=-\frac{MG}{x^2}\frac{dx}{dt}$$Both sides of this equation are exact differentials with respect to time.

So is the following correct?

$$v dv = \frac{-MG}{x^2} dx$$
 
  • #14
Phys_Boi said:
So is the following correct?

$$v dv = \frac{-MG}{x^2} dx$$
Yes.
 
  • #15
Chestermiller said:
Yes.
So how do you integrate over a time interval? That is to say, how do you find the velocity over the interval [0, t]?
 
  • #16
Phys_Boi said:
So how do you integrate over a time interval? That is to say, how do you find the velocity over the interval [0, t]?
Do you know how to solve for v as a function of x?
 

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