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The discussion revolves around the relationship between acceleration, force, and motion in one dimension, specifically examining the implications of different signs in the gravitational force equation. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of these concepts and their interpretations.
Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct sign for the gravitational force equation, and multiple competing views remain regarding its implications and the resulting equations of motion.
There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the integration of the equations discussed, and the implications of the sign in the force equation are not fully clarified.
BvU said:In 1 dimension ?
BvU said:And is $$F = -\displaystyle {GMm\over x^2} $$ or is $$F = +\displaystyle{GMm\over x^2} $$ as on the whyteboard ?
BvU said:Pity: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x''+=+1/x^2
(The minus sign gave an analytical solution https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x''+=+-1/x^2 showing that it isn't an easy differential equation )
BvU said:I didn't do anything except enter the thing in wolframalpha !
BvU said:In the form you write it, it is the equation of motion for a repulsive gravitational force.
Perhaps you did mean a minus sign ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation#Modern_form
Chestermiller said:$$\frac{dv}{dt}=-\frac{GM}{x^2}$$If you multiply both sides of this equation by v=dx/dt, you get:$$v\frac{dv}{dt}=-\frac{MG}{x^2}\frac{dx}{dt}$$Both sides of this equation are exact differentials with respect to time.
Yes.Phys_Boi said:So is the following correct?
$$v dv = \frac{-MG}{x^2} dx$$
So how do you integrate over a time interval? That is to say, how do you find the velocity over the interval [0, t]?Chestermiller said:Yes.
Do you know how to solve for v as a function of x?Phys_Boi said:So how do you integrate over a time interval? That is to say, how do you find the velocity over the interval [0, t]?