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The discussion centers on the equation of motion for gravitational forces, specifically examining the force equation $$F = -\frac{GMm}{x^2}$$ versus $$F = +\frac{GMm}{x^2}$$. Participants clarify that the negative sign indicates an attractive force, while the positive sign suggests a repulsive force. Analytical solutions for the differential equation $$x'' = -\frac{GM}{x^2}$$ were explored using Wolfram Alpha, confirming the complexity of the equation. The conversation also delves into integrating velocity over time intervals, emphasizing the importance of understanding the relationship between velocity and position.
PREREQUISITESStudents of physics, mathematicians, and anyone interested in the dynamics of gravitational forces and motion equations.
BvU said:In 1 dimension ?
BvU said:And is $$F = -\displaystyle {GMm\over x^2} $$ or is $$F = +\displaystyle{GMm\over x^2} $$ as on the whyteboard ?
BvU said:Pity: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x''+=+1/x^2
(The minus sign gave an analytical solution https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x''+=+-1/x^2 showing that it isn't an easy differential equation )
BvU said:I didn't do anything except enter the thing in wolframalpha !
BvU said:In the form you write it, it is the equation of motion for a repulsive gravitational force.
Perhaps you did mean a minus sign ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation#Modern_form
Chestermiller said:$$\frac{dv}{dt}=-\frac{GM}{x^2}$$If you multiply both sides of this equation by v=dx/dt, you get:$$v\frac{dv}{dt}=-\frac{MG}{x^2}\frac{dx}{dt}$$Both sides of this equation are exact differentials with respect to time.
Yes.Phys_Boi said:So is the following correct?
$$v dv = \frac{-MG}{x^2} dx$$
So how do you integrate over a time interval? That is to say, how do you find the velocity over the interval [0, t]?Chestermiller said:Yes.
Do you know how to solve for v as a function of x?Phys_Boi said:So how do you integrate over a time interval? That is to say, how do you find the velocity over the interval [0, t]?