Acceleration Frame Dependency - General Relativity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of acceleration in the context of General Relativity, particularly focusing on the frame dependency of acceleration and the implications of using curved coordinates in flat spacetime. Participants explore the relationship between inertial and non-inertial frames, coordinate acceleration versus proper acceleration, and the equivalence principle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a particle will not experience acceleration if the connection coefficients vanish, implying an attachment to an inertial frame, while noting that non-inertial frames will likely result in acceleration.
  • Another participant emphasizes that coordinate acceleration is frame dependent, whereas proper acceleration is frame independent.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim about connection coefficients, suggesting a need to clarify the distinction between inertial and non-inertial particles, as well as between coordinate and proper acceleration.
  • Some participants propose that the concept of a gravitational field in General Relativity, as described by connection coefficients, is frame variant and does not present a paradox.
  • One participant mentions that locally, General Relativity allows for an accelerated particle to be described as freely falling in a gravitational field, referencing the equivalence principle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of connection coefficients and the nature of acceleration in General Relativity. There is no consensus on whether the situation presents a paradox, as some argue it does not while others raise questions about the interpretations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between different types of acceleration and frames, indicating potential limitations in understanding due to these distinctions. The discussion also reflects on the local versus global nature of spacetime descriptions.

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I was thinking about the geodesics equations and I realized that a particle will not have acceleration if the connection coefficients vanish, which (I think) is to say we are attatching a inertial frame to the particle. But if we attach a non-inertial frame to the particle, it will probably have acceleration. Nothing new to this point as it works this way even in Newtonian mechanics.

The problem seems to be this: we might be on a flat space-time but using "curved" coordinates. Then in general the particle will be accelerating. Then General Relativity would dictate that the particle is in a gravitational field. Paradox?

Edit: or... maybe this is not a problem as the equivalence principle says that the space-time is locally flat and the geodesics equation is for analysing a curve only locally?
 
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kent davidge said:
The problem seems to be this: we might be on a flat space-time but using "curved" coordinates. Then in general the particle will be accelerating.
Coordinate acceleration is frame dependent. Proper acceleration is frame independent.
 
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kent davidge said:
I realized that a particle will not have acceleration if the connection coefficients vanish,
This is not generally true as stated. Do you mean “an inertial particle will not have coordinate acceleration if the connection coefficients vanish”? Please revise your OP paying careful to distinguish between an inertial particle and a non inertial particle and to distinguish between coordinate acceleration and proper acceleration.

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Then General Relativity would dictate that the particle is in a gravitational field. Paradox?
No paradox. The “gravitational field” describes by the connection coefficients (aka Christoffel symbols) is frame variant.
 
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I'd say, "Then locally, GR dictates that the accelerated particle can also be described as if freely falling in a gravitational field".

As if. This is just the equiv.princ.
 
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