Acceleration -- How is the intermediate displacement speed derived?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the intermediate displacement speed within the context of SUVAT equations, which are used for problems involving constant acceleration. Participants explore the application of these equations and the conditions under which they are valid.

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  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their initial statements regarding the derivation.
  • One participant questions the applicability of SUVAT equations without a clear problem statement, emphasizing the need for a defined question in scientific inquiry.
  • A participant attempts to derive the intermediate displacement speed, suggesting that in the case of zero acceleration, the proposed formula leads to a contradiction.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative formula for the intermediate displacement speed based on the SUVAT equations, indicating that it should be derived from the average of initial and final speeds.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the proposed formulas or the applicability of SUVAT equations without a clear problem statement. Multiple viewpoints regarding the derivation and conditions remain present.

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The discussion highlights potential limitations in the assumptions made about acceleration and the need for clarity in problem formulation. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation process presented.

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How is the intermediate displacement speed derived?
I don't know if I wrote it correctly
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Do you know any SUVAT equations?
 
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PeroK said:
SUVAT
Thank you very much, I will google it
 
How do you know that the "SUVAT Equations" apply? I don't understand, which problem is to be solved to begin with. Without asking a clear question, you can't get anything done in science!
 
huc369 said:
Summary: How is the intermediate displacement speed derived?

I don't know if I wrote it correctlyView attachment 315157
Since SUVAT involves constant-acceleration,
and constant-velocity (zero acceleration) is a special case,
consider your proposed formula in the zero-acceleration case, where ##v_0=v_B=v_T##
(where B represents the intermediate displacement: ##(x_B-x_0)=\frac{1}{2}(x_T-x_0)## in your time interval ##0\leq t\leq T##).

Assume ##v_B>0##.
Your proposed formula would read
$$v_B=\frac{\sqrt{(v_B)^2+(v_B)^2}}{2}=\frac{v_B}{\sqrt{2}}\qquad\mbox(false).$$
Instead, it should (based on the symbols available in your recollection) be
$$v_B=\sqrt{ \frac{(v_0)^2+(v_T)^2}{2}}$$
so that $$v_B=\sqrt{ \frac{(v_B)^2+(v_B)^2}{2}}=v_B.$$
(Technically, to be a speed, the left-hand side should be ##|v_B|##.)

Now, following @PeroK 's suggestion to your question,
this could be derived using SUVAT (the constant acceleration equations).
 

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