Acceleration Position vs. Time Graph

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the x-component of acceleration between two points, M and S, based on a position vs. time graph. Participants are analyzing how to derive acceleration from changes in position and time, while grappling with the implications of reading values from a graph.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating velocities at points M and S, questioning whether to use average or instantaneous velocities. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the velocities and the acceleration calculation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on calculating velocities and interpreting the graph. There is an ongoing exploration of the discrepancies between calculated values and expected answers, with no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of deriving exact answers from approximations inherent in graph reading, and there is mention of automated grading systems that may not account for these approximations.

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Homework Statement


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Evaluate Ax, the x-component of the acceleration between M and S.

Homework Equations


a=x/t^2

The Attempt at a Solution


M= 48 m at 8.5 s
S= 40 m at 11.5 s

so change of x=-8 m, and change of t = 3s

so a= -8 / (3^2), so -8/9 m/s^2 (or -0.889 m/s^2). Where did I go wrong?
 
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Hint: figure out the velocities at M and at S, then the change in velocity between M and S, and then...
 
Would the velocity at M be the velocity between R and M, and the velocity at S be the velocity between S and N, or do I have to calculate the instantaneous velocity at each point?
 
Anony-mouse said:
Would the velocity at M be the velocity between R and M, and the velocity at S be the velocity between S and N, ...
In this specific case, yes.

... or do I have to calculate the instantaneous velocity at each point?
In general, yes.
 
Anony-mouse said:
Would the velocity at M be the velocity between R and M, and the velocity at S be the velocity between S and N, or do I have to calculate the instantaneous velocity at each point?

They are the same thing since the velocity is uniform on those parts of the graph.
 
So I ended up calculating 20/3 for the M velocity, and -20/1.5 for the S velocity, which gave me a change of velocity of -20. If the change in time was 3 seconds, then the x-component of the acceleration would be -20/3 m/s^2. But that's not the right answer given.

Is the x component just the -20? I can't figure out what I did wrong.
 
Your values look correct, within any reasonable accuracy that can be read from this graph. You should be only slightly off from the "correct" answer. Just how far from the given answer is your value of -6.7 m/s^2?
 
I gave this answer: -6.67 m/s^2, so I guess it was a mistake.
 
I'm not convinced you made a mistake. You got -6.67 m/s^2. Earlier you said this is not "the right answer given". So what is the right answer given, and how far off are you from it?
 
  • #10
I don't really know, because it is automated and answers aren't revealed till monday, but I can find out within a couple of days. I would like to know what the answer is myself. All I know is that the computer said my answer was wrong and I can't change it.
 
  • #11
It's a little odd that they would require an "exact" answer, given the approximations inherent in reading a graph. You really have correctly solved the problem, but have probably read the numbers on the graph a little differently than the problem author.

By the way, I get -12 m/s for the velocity at S.
 
  • #12
I found out that the correct answer was -6.33 m/s^2... seems kind of unfair to have an exact answer like that without having exact numbers.
 
  • #13
Yes, I agree.
 

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