Acceleration with two wooden crates

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The problem involves two wooden crates, one resting on top of the other, with specified masses and coefficients of friction. The scenario describes a tension force applied to the lower crate, causing the upper crate to potentially slide. The goal is to determine the acceleration of the upper crate.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the upper crate and the implications of static and kinetic friction. There is a focus on the distinction between the accelerations of the two crates and the conditions under which sliding occurs.

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Some participants have raised questions about the calculations and the interpretation of the problem, particularly regarding the accelerations of the crates. There is an acknowledgment of the need to express answers in proper significant figures. Guidance has been offered on the forces acting on the upper crate.

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Participants note the absence of friction between the lower crate and the floor, and the specific coefficients of friction between the two crates are under discussion. There is also mention of the need to clarify which crate's acceleration is being sought.

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1. Homework Statement

Two wooden crates rest on top of one another. The smaller top crate has a mass of m1 = 24.0 kg and the larger bottom crate has a mass of m2 = 86.0 kg. There is NO friction between the crate and the floor, but the coefficient of static friction between the two crates is μs = 0.8 and the coefficient of kinetic friction between the two crates is μk = 0.63. A massless rope is attached to the lower crate to pull it horizontally to the right (which should be considered the positive direction for this problem).

The tension is increased in the rope to 1122.0 N causing the boxes to accelerate faster and the top box to begin sliding. What is the acceleration of the upper crate?

2. Homework Equations

Fg = Fn = m*g
Fk = μk * Fn
Fnet,x = T-Fk

3. The Attempt at a Solution

Fg = 24*9.8 = 235.2N
Fn = 235.2N
Fk = .63 * Fn = 148.176N
T = 1122N
Fnet,x = 1122-148.176 = 973.824N
acceleration in x-direction = 973.824/24 = 40.576 m/s^2 <- seems to be incorrect
 
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trolling said:
1. Homework Statement

Two wooden crates rest on top of one another. The smaller top crate has a mass of m1 = 24.0 kg and the larger bottom crate has a mass of m2 = 86.0 kg. There is NO friction between the crate and the floor, but the coefficient of static friction between the two crates is μs = 0.8 and the coefficient of kinetic friction between the two crates is μk = 0.63. A massless rope is attached to the lower crate to pull it horizontally to the right (which should be considered the positive direction for this problem).

The tension is increased in the rope to 1122.0 N causing the boxes to accelerate faster and the top box to begin sliding. What is the acceleration of the upper crate?

2. Homework Equations

Fg = Fn = m*g
Fk = μk * Fn
Fnet,x = T-Fk

3. The Attempt at a Solution

Fg = 24*9.8 = 235.2N
Fn = 235.2N
Fk = .63 * Fn = 148.176N
T = 1122N
Fnet,x = 1122-148.176 = 973.824N
acceleration in x-direction = 973.824/24 = 40.576 m/s^2 <- seems to be incorrect
You are asked for the acceleration of the upper crate. This is the acceleration of the lower (86 kg) crate. Also, express your answer in proper significant figures.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
You are asked for the acceleration of the upper crate. This is the acceleration of the lower (86 kg) crate. Also, express your answer in proper significant figures.

AM

So how do you suggest that you find the upper crate's acceleration?
 
To me the only force applied to the top block is just mgμk since it is sliding.
Thus maximum acceleration equal to gμk.

For no sliding, maximum acceleration is gμs.
 
azizlwl said:
To me the only force applied to the top block is just mgμk since it is sliding.
Thus maximum acceleration equal to gμk.

For no sliding, maximum acceleration is gμs.

I just typed it in, & it's correct. Thanks for your help!
 

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