Accumulation point of rational numbers in (0,1)

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The problem involves identifying the accumulation points of a sequence that enumerates all rational numbers in the interval (0,1). The context includes the application of the Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem regarding bounded sequences and their convergent subsequences.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem and question whether every rational number in (0,1) can be considered an accumulation point. There is also exploration of the definition of accumulation points and the conditions under which they exist.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering insights and questioning the definitions and assumptions related to accumulation points. Some participants express confusion about the relationship between bounded sequences and accumulation points, while others provide clarifications that seem to enhance understanding.

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There are varying interpretations of the definition of accumulation points, particularly regarding the necessity of having infinitely many distinct elements in the sequence within any epsilon neighborhood of the point in question.

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Homework Statement


Find all accumulation points of the following sequence:
an enumeration of all rational numbers in (0,1)

Homework Equations


Boltzano-Weirstrass Theorem:
Every bounded sequence has a convergent sequence (hence, an accumulation point)

The Attempt at a Solution


Because the enumeration of all rational numbers in (0,1) is bounded, it must have at least one convergent sequence. But if there is an accumulation point for the rational numbers in (0,1) there must also be an accumulation point for the rational numbers in (0,0.5), and the logic continues so there must be infinitely many accumulation points in (0,1). So are the accumulation points every rational number in (0,1)?

This seems odd to me that any rational number can be an accumulation point
 
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Do you know the fact that for every real number y there is a rational r such that |r-y| < epsilon for any epsilon > 0? Or, in a similar fashion, for any real number y there is a sequence of rationals converging to it? Perhaps these facts will help.
 
In fact, the real numbers can be defined as equivalence classes of sequences of rational numbers, the equivalence being "\{a_n\} is equivalent to \{b_m\} if and only if \{a_n- b_n\} converges to 0".
 
PirateFan308 said:
Boltzano-Weirstrass Theorem:
Every bounded sequence has a convergent sequence (hence, an accumulation point)

I think there is a mistake here, that a bounded sequence has a convergent subsequence doesn't mean that it as an accumulation point. For example the constant bounded sequence a_n = 1 is such that every subsequence converges to 1, but 1 is not an accumulation point of the set \{ a_n : n \in \mathbb{N} \}.

Am I right? The definition of accumulation point is that for every epsilon there exists infinitely different elements of the sequence distant less that epsilon from that number.
 
blinktx411 said:
Do you know the fact that for every real number y there is a rational r such that |r-y| < epsilon for any epsilon > 0? Or, in a similar fashion, for any real number y there is a sequence of rationals converging to it? Perhaps these facts will help.

Thanks! That helped a lot. I get it now. :)
 
Damidami said:
The definition of accumulation point is that for every epsilon there exists infinitely different elements of the sequence distant less that epsilon from that number.

I believe the definition of an accumulation point is just that there exists infinite elements of the sequence that converges to c. So from this definition, the subsequence can consist of the same element repeated.

Our professor used the example of (xn) = (-1)n
(xn) does not converge but it has the convergent subsequences (-1)2n and the subsequence (-1)2n+1. Hence, -1 and 1 are accumulation points.
 

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