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I have a doubt between the acidic strength of phenol with isotopic oxygen i.e O 18 and just phenol
The discussion revolves around the comparison of the acidic strength of phenol with isotopic oxygen (O-18) versus regular phenol (with O-16). Participants explore the implications of isotopic substitution on acidity, particularly focusing on the effects of zero point energy and the stability of conjugate bases.
Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the comparison of acidic strengths and the implications of zero point energy. There is no consensus on the exact effects of isotopic substitution on acidity, and the discussion remains unresolved.
The discussion includes assumptions about the relationship between isotopic mass and zero point energy, as well as the stability of conjugate bases, which are not fully explored or agreed upon.
It’s an example of the isotope effect. This is a really complex topic, but a simplified explanation goes like this: the zero point energy of an oscillator decreases with increasing mass, so the O-18 phenol OH vibration will have a lower ZPE than O-16 H. In addition, the transition state ZPE to break the OH bond will be different. In general these two ZPEs don’t decrease by the same amount, so one dissociation pathway will have a lower activation energy than the other. Predicting the magnitude and sign of this difference can be very complicated, but the magnitude is generally proportional to the mass difference between the isotopes. So O-18/O-16 isotope effects will be quite a bit smaller than H/D isotope effects. This page has a pretty good explanation with pictures and examples:Sat-P said:I searched it somewhere and they said something about zero point energy. But I dont understand what it is!!