Activation energy for chemical reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of activation energy in chemical reactions, particularly focusing on how it influences the reaction rate and the necessity of external energy sources to sustain reactions. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical examples, and the implications of molecular motion and energy distribution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the amount of reactant that actually reacts is less than 1 mol due to the need for sufficient energy to overcome activation energy.
  • Another participant challenges the clarity of the initial question, suggesting it may need rephrasing for better understanding.
  • There is a mention of the constant motion of molecules, which collide and exchange energy, impacting the reaction dynamics.
  • A participant points out that one mole of reactant does not react instantaneously, indicating a misunderstanding of the reaction process.
  • One participant reflects on the need for continuous external energy to sustain an exothermic reaction after the initial activation energy is supplied, using the example of hydrogen and oxygen combining to form water.
  • Another participant emphasizes that molecules in a sample have varying energy levels, and the distribution of these energies remains constant at a given temperature, affecting the reaction dynamics.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of maintaining the same ratio of energetic molecules even after some have reacted, suggesting that temperature changes would alter this distribution.
  • One participant provides an example of an Oxy-Hydrogen torch, illustrating that once a reaction is initiated, it can continue without an external ignition source, drawing parallels to other combustion processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of continuous external energy for sustaining reactions and the implications of molecular energy distribution. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about the constancy of temperature and energy distribution, as well as the specific conditions under which reactions occur. These factors are not fully addressed in the discussion.

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Only particles that possesses enough energy to overcome the activation energy and orientated correctly will collide and form products. How about those particles which do not possesses enough kinetic energy to overcome the activation barrier? Does it mean that for a particular chemical reaction where 1 mol of a reactant is needed, the actual amount of reactant that reacts is less than 1 mol?

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You've compared "apples to oranges:" can you rephrase the question in a way that it answers itself?
 
You are aware of the fact molecules are in constant motion, they rotate and collide all the time, exchanging energy?
 
What do you mean with " [...] where 1 mol of a reactant is needed"? Needed for what?Obviously, one mole of reactant doesn't react instantaneously. But that's not your question, right?
 
I just started reading about activation energy today, but from what I gather, once the initial energy is supplied to kick-start the reaction, then the energy released (let us assume that the reaction is exothermic) is enough to activate the other molecules and finish the reaction.EDIT: On second thought, it seems to me that some energy must be supplied externally in order to sustain the reaction?

Example: Suppose we wish to combine hydrogen molecules with oxygen molecules to form water. We raise the temperature enough so that the activation energy is reached and at least one molecule of hydrogen has combined with a molecule of oxygen. This is an exothermic reaction, so let us now remove our external heat source. Surely the heat released from that first combination of hydrogen and oxygen isn't enough to sustain the reaction until all of the hydrogen and oxygen combines? Am I right when I say this? Intuitively, it seems to me that we must continue to supply heat in order to force the reaction to continue.
 
IMHO you are missing the fact molecules exchange energy, and their energies are not constant. That in turn means in a sample some molecules have higher energy, and some molecules have lower energy. As long as the temperature is kept constant fraction of the molecules that have higher energy is constant as well, so you can't just consume in the reaction all these molecules with higher energies and be left with those of lower energies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell–Boltzmann_distribution
 
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At a certain temperature, a certain ratio of molecules will have sufficient energy. If they are 'removed' somehow (let's say they reacted) but the temperature is magically held constant, the system must still have the same ratio of molecules with sufficient energy. So it will rearrange to still have the same distribution (Boltzmann).

Changing this distribution means changing the temperature.
 
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JonnyG said:
Surely the heat released from that first combination of hydrogen and oxygen isn't enough to sustain the reaction until all of the hydrogen and oxygen combines?
It's called an Oxy-Hydrogen torch; it has a specialized use in the Semiconductor manufacturing industry. Just like the burner of a gas stove, a blow torch, or a welding torch, once the reaction is started you can remove the ignition source and the reaction (flame/burning) continues. (Works with wooden houses too.)
 

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