Add two functions, same frequency to produce one greater?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the possibility of combining two wave functions, specifically sine or cosine functions, to achieve a higher frequency or to double the frequency. Participants explore theoretical and mathematical aspects of wave function addition, including implications for electromagnetic waves.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to add two wave functions to increase their frequency.
  • Another participant suggests that multiplying the functions might yield different results and recommends using a graphing tool for visualization.
  • It is noted that the sum of functions with the same frequency retains that frequency, based on the definition of frequency.
  • A participant proposes a method involving piecewise-defined functions to create a new function with a different period, suggesting that combining functions can lead to a function with a period of pi.
  • Fourier transformations are mentioned as a means to analyze the addition of functions, indicating that higher frequencies cannot be created merely by overlapping two electromagnetic waves.
  • Another participant reiterates the original question and suggests that adding +sin x and -sin x could yield a function with every frequency.
  • A participant mentions that if the ratio of the periods of the functions is rational, the sum will be periodic with a period equal to the least common multiple (LCM) of the individual periods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of increasing frequency through the addition of wave functions. While some agree that the frequency remains unchanged with simple addition, others explore alternative methods and suggest conditions under which different outcomes might occur.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the properties of wave functions and their combinations, as well as the mathematical definitions of frequency and periodicity. Some claims rely on specific definitions and conditions that may not be universally applicable.

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Is their any way to add two wave functions like sin or cos in such a way that you could double the frequency or at least increase it?
 
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You can follow the definition of a frequency to see that every sum of functions of the same frequency has the same frequency again.
 
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^That was my personal conclusions as well. I ask because I was wondering if their was a way to increase the frequency of the E&M waves by combining them some how.
 
Well, you can play some tricks.

Define f(x)=sin(x) for [0,pi], [2pi,3pi], [4pi, 5pi] and so on, f(x)=0 otherwise.
Define g(x)=-sin(x) for [pi,2pi], [3pi,4pi], [5pi, 6pi] and so on, g(x)=0 otherwise.
Both functions have a period of 2 pi.
Define h(x) = f(x)+g(x) = |sin(x)| which has a period of pi as h(x+pi)=h(x) for all x. It also has a period of 2 pi as h(x+2pi)=h(x) for all x.

To analyze this properly, you can use Fourier transformations of the functions. They add nicely - a frequency component that is present in the sum has to be present in at least one of the summed functions. This is also true for electromagnetic waves, you cannot create higher frequencies simply by having two beams illuminate the same place.

In matter, there are exotic effects which can lead to higher electromagnetic frequencies. This is known as upconversion.
 
grahas said:
Is their any way to add two wave functions like sin or cos in such a way that you could double the frequency or at least increase it?
You could take +sin x and -sin x. Upon adding them you would have a function with every frequency.
 
Thanks for the replies, they are really great.
 
If the ratio of the periods is Rational, then the sum of periodic functions is periodic with period the "LCM" .
 

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