Adding three SHM oscillations of equal frequency?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the addition of three simple harmonic motions (SHM) with equal frequency, focusing on their amplitudes and phase differences. The original poster attempts to find the resultant amplitude and phase of the combined oscillations given specific amplitude values and phase differences between the components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of phasors to add the components of SHM, questioning the introduction of complex components and the interpretation of amplitude versus instantaneous displacement. There are discussions on expanding trigonometric functions and converting them into a resultant amplitude and phase.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting methods for combining the oscillations and clarifying the distinction between instantaneous values and peak amplitudes. There is an ongoing exploration of different mathematical representations and interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly interpreting phase differences and the potential confusion surrounding the calculation of resultant amplitudes at specific times versus overall peak values.

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Homework Statement



A particle is simultaneously subjected to three SHM, all of the same frequency, and in the x direction. If the amplitudes are 0.25, 0.20, 0.15mm, respectively, and the phase difference between the 1st and 2nd is 45 degrees, and between the 2nd and 3rd is 30 degrees, find the amplitude of the resultant displacement and it's phase relative to the first (0.25mm amplitude) component.

Homework Equations



z = x + iy

z1 = x1 + iy1

x1 = 0.25 cos(wt +0)
x2 = 0.20 cos(wt +45)
x3 = 0.15 cos(wt +75)

z1 = 0.25 [x1 + i sin(wt +0)]
z2 = 0.2 [x2 + i sin(wt +45)]
z3 = 0.15 [x3 + i sin(wt +75)]

The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, I assumed there was no initial phase angle for z1 said at t=0

x1 = 0.25
x2 = 0.20 cos(45)
x3 = 0.15 cos(75)

therefore the Amplitude must be x = x1 + x2 + x3 (as at t=0 it must be at maximum displacement so x = A)

I got x = 0.430244mm
the answers says 52mm

then i decided maybe at t=0 x is not equal to A (although I don't know why :redface:) so i tried to calculate the magnitude of z.

z = (x^2 +y^2)^0.5

i added up all the y components at t =0 and got y = 0.286310mm

therefore z = 0.516

now for the angle:

I used arctan(y/x) = 56 degrees, the answer is ~33.5 degrees :cry:
 
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hi applestrudle! :smile:
applestrudle said:
x1 = 0.25 cos(wt +0)
x2 = 0.20 cos(wt +45)
x3 = 0.15 cos(wt +75)

expand, and add: you should get Acosωt + Bsinωt …

then convert that into amplitude*cos(ωt + phase) :wink:
 
applestrudle said:
z = x + iy
I'm not sure whether it helps to introduce an iy component. Maybe.
z1 = 0.25 [x1 + i sin(wt +0)]
z2 = 0.2 [x2 + i sin(wt +45)]
z3 = 0.15 [x3 + i sin(wt +75)]
The x1, x2, x3 already have the amplitude factor. I think you mean
z1 = [x1 + 0.25 i sin(wt +0)]
z2 = [x2 + 0.2 i sin(wt +45)]
z3 = [x3 + 0.15 i sin(wt +75)]
x1 = 0.25
x2 = 0.20 cos(45)
x3 = 0.15 cos(75)

therefore the Amplitude must be x = x1 + x2 + x3 (as at t=0 it must be at maximum displacement so x = A)
That's only the instantaneous magnitude of x at time 0. It might achieve a greater magnitude at some other time. The amplitude is the peak magnitude.
so i tried to calculate the magnitude of z.
Same problem.
As tiny-tim posted, you can just expand each cos(ωt+ψ) as cos(ωt)cos(ψ) - sin(ωt)sin(ψ).
 
The frequencies are all the same so you can treat the components as phasors and add accordingly.
 
I would go with post #2 method.

Add the coefficients of sin(wt), add the coeff. of cos(wt), giving
a sin(wt) + b cos (wt) = c sin(wt + phi).
 

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