Simple Harmonic Oscillator behaviour when a potential term is added

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a simple harmonic oscillator when an additional potential term is introduced. The original potential energy is given by V=1/2 kx^2, and the new term is V=ax. Participants explore how this modification affects the system's oscillatory behavior and frequency.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of a "shifted equilibrium" and consider whether a change of coordinates could aid in understanding the problem. There are attempts to express the potential in terms of a new variable and to analyze the resulting expressions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using a new coordinate system to simplify the potential expression. There is ongoing exploration of how to derive the new potential and its implications for the frequency of oscillation. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the algebra involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the effects of constant terms in potential energy and their influence on the system's dynamics. There is a noted uncertainty regarding the algebraic manipulations and their physical interpretations.

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Homework Statement



A simple harmonic oscillator has a potential energy V=1/2 kx^2. An additional potential term V = ax is added then,
a) It is SHM with decreased frequency around a shifted equilibrium
b) Motion is no longer SHM
c)It is SHM with decreased frequency around a shifted equilibrium
d) It is SHM with same frequency around a shifted equilibrium
e)It is SHM with increased frequency around origin

Homework Equations


$$w= \sqrt {k/m}$$
$$x = A \sin{wt}$$


The Attempt at a Solution


$$V = 1/2 kx^2+ax$$
At x=0
$$V=0$$
Maximum potential
$$dV/dx = kx + a$$
I do not know if this is correct or if it is so then i do not know how to go further than this.
Please help.[/B]
 
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Perhaps think about what a "shifted equilibrium" might mean? Would a change of coordinate help?
 
PeroK said:
Perhaps think about what a "shifted equilibrium" might mean? Would a change of coordinate help?

I did not understand what you meant by change of coordinate.
 
Rahulrj said:
I did not understand what you meant by change of coordinate.

A change of coordinate is where you use another coordinate instead of ##x##. That could be anything. But in this case, you could try using a new coordinate ##y## with ##y = x + c##, where ##c## is a constant.
 
PeroK said:
A change of coordinate is where you use another coordinate instead of ##x##. That could be anything. But in this case, you could try using a new coordinate ##y## with ##y = x + c##, where ##c## is a constant.
Do you mean to suggest that I should write it as $$ V = \frac {1}{2}k(y-c)^2$$?
 
Rahulrj said:
Do you mean to suggest that I should write it as $$ V = \frac {1}{2}k(y-c)^2$$?

Yes, except that's not the potential you are supposed to be working with. It's:

##V(x) = \frac12 kx^2 + ax##
 
PeroK said:
Yes, except that's not the potential you are supposed to be working with. It's:

##V(x) = \frac12 kx^2 + ax##
Yes so then it becomes $$ V = \frac {1}{2}k(y-c)^2+a(y-c)$$
If i expand it, $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+kc^2)-yc+ay-ac$$
 
Rahulrj said:
Yes so then it becomes $$ V = \frac {1}{2}k(y-c)^2+a(y-c)$$
If i expand it, $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+kc^2)-yc+ay-ac$$

Does that give you any ideas about a suitable value for ##c##? Hint: look at the terms in ##y##.

Note, however, that your algebra has gone wrong.
 
PeroK said:
Does that give you any ideas about a suitable value for ##c##? Hint: look at the terms in ##y##.

Note, however, that your algebra has gone wrong.
The expansion is $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+kc^2)-kyc+ay-ac$$
Suitable value to cancel what term?
if $$ c= \frac {a}{k}$$ I would get $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+\frac {a^2}{k})-\frac {a^2}{k}$$

$$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2)-\frac {a^2}{k}$$
But it does not look familiar.
 
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Rahulrj said:
The expansion is $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+kc^2)-kyc+ay-ac$$
Suitable value to cancel what term?
if $$ c= \frac {a}{k}$$ I would get $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+\frac {a^2}{k})-\frac {a^2}{k}$$

$$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2)-\frac {a^2}{k}$$
But it does not look familiar.

What effect does a constant term have on a potential?
 
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PeroK said:
What effect does a constant term have on a potential?
A shift from the normal potential. So how can i infer frequency from this?
 
  • #12
Rahulrj said:
A shift from the normal potential. So how can i infer frequency from this?

Adding a constant to a potential makes no effective difference. The force is the derivative of the potential, so the constant term has no effect.
 

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