Addition problem in Serge Lang Basic Mathematics

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The discussion revolves around an addition problem from Serge Lang's Basic Mathematics, specifically proving the equation -(a - b) = b - a using established mathematical rules and properties of addition and subtraction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the expression -(a - b) using various rules but questions the validity of their approach, particularly regarding the justification for certain steps. Other participants provide feedback on the validity of the original poster's reasoning and suggest alternative perspectives on interpreting the negative sign.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, offering insights and clarifications. There is a mix of agreement and suggestions for different approaches, indicating a productive exploration of the problem without reaching a definitive consensus.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about using rules from less formal sections of the text in their proof, highlighting a potential constraint in their understanding of the material.

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Homework Statement
Show that -(a - b) = b - a
Relevant Equations
-(a - b) = b - a
Relevant Rules:
N5: -(a+b) = - a - b
N4: a = -(-a)
N2: a + (-a) = 0 and -a + a = 0

I tried just manipulating -(a - b) with the rules to get the answer:
-(a - b) = -(a + (-b))
With N5: = - a + (-(-b))
With N4: = - a + b
Commutativity: b - a

The provided solution in the book used N2 to prove it:
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Is my solution valid? If not what is the problem with it? I would really appreciate any feedback because I'm new to thinking about proofs and have no idea what I'm doing.

I guess saying -(a - b) = -(a + (-b)) might be wrong because I can't find any rule to justify it. I assumed that - b and + (- b) were assumed to be the same from this section:
1741381903423.png


But maybe I can't use things from more casually written sections in proofs?

Thanks for reading!
 
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clone said:
Is my solution valid?
Looks fine to me.
clone said:
I guess saying -(a - b) = -(a + (-b)) might be wrong because I can't find any rule to justify it.
Seems to me that it's covered by N4 or else by the fact that subtracting a number is the same as adding the additive inverse of that number.
 
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N4 has to be proven. You also used ##-a=(-1)\cdot (+a)## and the distributive law without mention:
$$
-(a-b)=(-1)\cdot (a+(-b))=(-1)\cdot a+ (-1)\cdot (-b)=-a+(-(-b))=-a+b
$$
 
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clone said:
Homework Statement: Show that -(a - b) = b - a
Relevant Equations: -(a - b) = b - a

Relevant Rules:
N5: -(a+b) = - a - b
N4: a = -(-a)
N2: a + (-a) = 0 and -a + a = 0

I tried just manipulating -(a - b) with the rules to get the answer:
-(a - b) = -(a + (-b))
With N5: = - a + (-(-b))
With N4: = - a + b
Commutativity: b - a

The provided solution in the book used N2 to prove it:
View attachment 358234

Is my solution valid? If not what is the problem with it? I would really appreciate any feedback because I'm new to thinking about proofs and have no idea what I'm doing.

I guess saying -(a - b) = -(a + (-b)) might be wrong because I can't find any rule to justify it. I assumed that - b and + (- b) were assumed to be the same from this section:
View attachment 358236

But maybe I can't use things from more casually written sections in proofs?

Thanks for reading!
Your solution isn't wrong, but perhaps you could look at this problem differently. From an abstract point of view, what is ##-X##, where ##X## is anything? The abstract mathematical answer is that ##-X## is the unique thing that satisfies the equation ##X + (-X) = 0##.

Whereas, you are looking at the ##-## as more like an operator that acts on ##X##.

From that point of view, I very much prefer the book solution.
 
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