Additional quantum states of the infinite square well

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The discussion revolves around the quantum states of the infinite square well, specifically the implications of negative quantum numbers and their relation to the wavefunctions. Participants explore whether states corresponding to negative quantum numbers can be considered additional states despite having the same physical properties as their positive counterparts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that additional states for negative quantum numbers ##n = -1, -2, -3, \dots## could exist, as they have the same position probability densities and energy eigenvalues as the positive states.
  • Another participant counters that these negative states are not additional, as they only differ by an arbitrary phase factor, implying they are effectively the same states.
  • A further point is raised questioning the significance of phase factors in distinguishing between bosons and fermions, suggesting that the distinction might be similar to the case of negative quantum numbers.
  • Another participant clarifies that the distinction between bosons and fermions relies on symmetry properties under particle exchange rather than on overall phase factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the existence and significance of negative quantum states, with some arguing for their validity and others asserting they do not represent additional states.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved discussion regarding the implications of phase factors in quantum mechanics and their role in distinguishing particle types, which may depend on specific definitions and interpretations.

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The quantum states ##\psi(x)## of the infinite square well of width ##a## are given by

##\psi(x) = \sqrt{\frac{2}{a}}\sin\Big(\frac{n \pi x}{a}\Big),\ n= 1,2,3, \dots##

Now, I understand ##n \neq 0##, as otherwise ##\psi(x)## is non-normalisable.

But, can't we get additional states for ##n=-1,-2,-3,\dots##?

Of course, they have the same position probability densities and energy eigenvalues as the corresponding positive $n$ states, but still, don't they *exist* at all?
 
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No, those are not additional states. In fact, they are the same states as they only differ by an arbitrary phase factor.
 
Well, do we not rely on the negative sign on the wavefunction to distinguish between bosons and fermions?

For bosons and fermions, we might as well call these the same particle as the wavefunction differs also by a phase factor ? :frown:
 
failexam said:
Well, do we not rely on the negative sign on the wavefunction to distinguish between bosons and fermions?
No we do not. We rely on the symmetry properties under exchange of particles in multi-particle states. Relative phase factors matter, overall phase factors do not.
 
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Thanks! I get it now!
 

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