Addressing Errors in Apostol's Calculus & Linear Algebra: Volume 1, 2nd Edition

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The discussion revolves around identifying potential errors in Apostol's "Calculus & Linear Algebra" and Arfken & Weber's "Mathematical Methods for Physicists." Participants analyze specific pages and examples from these texts, focusing on limits, circular reasoning, and the application of l'Hôpital's rule.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Apostol's treatment of limits may contain errors, particularly regarding the application of l'Hôpital's rule without confirming the form of the limit.
  • Others argue that Apostol does not make an error, as he later clarifies the form of the limit in a subsequent example.
  • One participant points out a specific issue in Arfken & Weber's text, claiming that an integrand function is negative, which contradicts the expected result.
  • There is a discussion about whether Apostol's proof of the derivative of sin(x) being cos(x) is circular, with some asserting that using a limit that requires the derivative to be known is indeed circular reasoning.
  • Conversely, other participants defend Apostol's approach, stating that he provides a geometric proof and evaluates the limit without circularity.
  • Some participants propose alternative definitions of sine and cosine that do not rely on the limit in question, suggesting different methods of proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the identified issues constitute errors. There is no consensus on the circularity of Apostol's argument or the correctness of the examples discussed, indicating multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific pages and examples from the texts, which may limit the discussion to those contexts. The debate includes assumptions about the definitions and proofs presented in Apostol's work and the implications of using l'Hôpital's rule.

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This is page #293 of the 1-st volume from 2-nd edition of Apostol's "Calculus & Linear Algebra".

Well, the question goes like this:

Can you find a flagrant error in this page...?

Daniel.
 
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This is page #371 from the V-th edition of Arfken & Weber's "Mathematical Methods for Physicists".

The question is the same, but this time the error is a bit harder to spot.

Daniel.
 
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for the first question, i think that in the first lines with the limits there arent any mention to x there.
but this is just a mistype isn't it?
 
That isn't an error. That is how you're supposed to evaluate the limit.
 
the only "error" I could see in apostol was the failure to check in the first example that it had the form 0/0 before applying l'hopital. but he did say it after the fact, namely in example 2, that it "also" had this form, implying it for example 1.
 
dextercioby said:
This is page #371 from the V-th edition of Arfken & Weber's "Mathematical Methods for Physicists".

The question is the same, but this time the error is a bit harder to spot.

Daniel.

There is at least one error.

In exercise 5.9.10 part (b): the integrand function is negative in ]0,1[ thus the risult can't be positive. The correct expression is

[tex]\lim_{a \rightarrow 1} \int_0^a \frac{\ln(1-x)}{x} dx = - \zeta(2)[/tex] .
 
WigneRacah is absolutely right for the second one, the one from Arfken & Weber. Indeed, there's a minus where he said it was.

As for apostol's book, there's something more about circular logics than anything else.

Daniel.
 
I understand now. While I don't own a copy of Apostol, I can guess that the problem is in example 1.

The typical proof that the derivative of sin(x) is cos(x), that is usually presented in introductory calculus textbooks (if at all), requires as one step to evaluate the limit: [tex]\lim_{ x\to 0 } \frac{ \sin x } { x }[/tex], which is of course 1.

However, if you wish to prove this limit, you cannot use l'Hospital's rule, because such a rule would require the derivative of sin(x) to be known already (which is what you're trying to prove) so it's a circular argument.

This assumes, though, that Apostol does not present an alternative proof that the derivative of sin(x) is cos(x) which does not require application of l'Hospital.
 
Nope, but he still uses that limit. There's no way of proving the derivative without using that limit.

Daniel.
 
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i wouldn't be so sure. have you read apostols teatment of sines and cosines.
 
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this is not the way he does it but you could define e^z by a powers eries, then let cos and sin be the real and imaginary parts. their derivatives follow immediately.

or one could define them as independent solutions of asecond order ode... but as i recall apostol does it by a more unique method.
 
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Apostol defines them geometrically and does prove sin'(x)=cos(x) using the limit of sin(x)/x. He did prove this limit in chapter 3 from the inequality cos(x)<sin(x)/x<1/cos(x) for 0<x<pi/2, which followed from his geometirc construction.

So nothing circular. At worst unnecessary since he had already evaluated the limit, but not a bad plan to have a back up way of 'deriving' it if part of your memory fails you.
 
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It is circular, as you can't prove A is right by using it as being right already.

Think about it.

Daniel.
 
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I've always understood "circular logic" to imply there is some sort of error in your argument and it was important that you were trying to assume an unproven result to prove this same unproven result. I'd be willing to accept that's not the normal usage if you want to apply the term here.

That's just semantics though, there is nothing I'd call an error at all here as he had proven the derivative of sin was cos earlier. He wasn't getting a new result, but that doesn't make it wrong. He could have cut out l'hopital and the derivative middle men and said "use example 4, section 3.4 to prove lim sin(x)/x=1" and I still wouldn't call it an error. Silly, yes, but not an error.
 
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dextercioby said:
It is circular, as you can't prove A is right by using it as being right already.

Think about it.

Daniel.

You can prove A is right if you've already proven it's right. Just because Apostol is pro doesn't mean you need to be jealous :-p
 

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