Adiabatic expansion in a thermodynamic system

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamic processes involving an ideal diatomic gas undergoing various transformations, including isochoric, adiabatic expansion, and isobaric compression. The original poster presents a series of states and asks for the final volume, temperature before expansion, and work done in the cycle.

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  • Participants explore the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature using the ideal gas law and adiabatic conditions. There are attempts to derive the final volume and temperature through algebraic manipulation of the equations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using specific formulas for adiabatic processes and have pointed out potential errors in algebraic calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the various states of the gas, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct values yet.

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Participants note the importance of correctly applying the adiabatic condition and the ideal gas law, while also questioning the assumptions made regarding initial and final states. There is mention of the need for clarity in units and the potential for rounding errors in calculations.

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Homework Statement


4 liters of an ideal diatomic gas are compressed in a cilinder. In a closed process, the following steps are taken :

1) Initial state :
p_1 = 1 atm = 1.013*10^5 N/m^2
and :
T_1 = 300 K

2) Isochoric proces resulting in :
p_2 = 3.p_1

3) Adiabatic expansion resulting in:
p_3 = p_1

4) Isobar compression resulting in
V_4 = V_1

Note : State 4 = State 1

Questions :
a) What is the volume of the gas at the end of the adiabatic proces ? (solution : 8.77*10^-3 )
b) What is the temperature of just before the adiabatic expansion? (solution : 902 K)
c) What is the work performed by the gas in this cycle ? (solution : 335.0 J)

Homework Equations



ideal gas :

pV = nRT
\frac{p_xV_x}{T_x} = \frac{p_y V_y} {T_y}
\Delta U = n Cv \Delta T

ideal gas + adiabatic expansion :
pV^{\lambda} = c

Note : lambda is Youngs module, c is a constant value.

diatomic :
C_v = 5/2 R
\lambda = 1.4

The Attempt at a Solution


b) I'm starting with this one since it seemed easier :
\frac{p_1 V_1}{T_1} = \frac{p_2 V_2} { T_2 }
\Rightarrow T_2 = \frac{p_2 V_2 T_1}{p_1 V_1}
\Rightarrow T_2 = 900
My guess is that my teacher approached this through using the
pV = nRT equation twice, introducing rounding errors ?

a) I've tried to approach this in several ways, but none seem to give me the correct solution... My current approach :

Since we know it's an ideal gas that undergoes an adiabatic expansion, we could use the formula given above :
p_2V_2^\lambda = constant = p_3V_3^\lambda
\Rightarrow V_3 = \log_\lambda ( \frac{p_2}{p_3} * V_2^\lambda)
\Rightarrow V_3 = \log_{1.4} ( 3 (4*10^{-3})^{1.4} )
\Rightarrow V_3 = -19.70870781

That is wrong in many ways, but I don't know which assumption I made is wrong ...

c) Don't know yet, I'm guessing something like :

\sum W = W_{1,2} + W_{2,3} + W_{3,1}
\sum W = 0 + W_{2,3} + p_3 (V_1 - V_3)

But I'll have to integrate over an unknown volume to get the value of W_{2,3} ...
If I know the value of V_3 I think I can calculate the value of T_3 using p_3V_3=nRT_3. Once I know T_3 I can use \Delta U = n Cv \Delta T_{2,3} = - W_{2,3}.
 
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b) the final temperature has to be 900 K.

a) Use the adiabatic condition PV^\gamma = K to give:

\left(\frac{V_f}{V_i}\right)^\gamma = \frac{P_i}{P_f}

c) The work done from 1-2 and 3-4 is easy. To determine the work done from 2-3 use the first law: dQ = dU + dW to determine the work done (what is Q for this adiabatic expansion?). Hint: you just have to know the change in temperature - use:

T_2V_2^{\gamma -1} = T_3V_3^{\gamma -1} to find the temperature at 3.)

AM
 
I am using that formula for (a) in my attempted solution, but te result is not correct. The values I use are:

V_f = unknown
V_i = 4*10^{-3}
P_i = 3 * P_f
P_f = 1.013 * 10^{5}
\lambda = 1.40

Am i using wrong values ?

Attempt 2 :

V_f = V_i * \log_{1.4}(p_i / p_f)
\Rightarrow V_f = 4*10^{-3} * \log_{1.4}(3)
\Rightarrow V_f = 13 * 10^{-3}
 
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cirimus said:
I am using that formula for (a) in my attempted solution, but te result is not correct. The values I use are:

V_f = unknown
V_i = 4*10^{-3}
P_i = 3 * P_f
P_f = 1.013 * 10^{5}
\lambda = 1.40

Am i using wrong values ?

Attempt 2 :

V_f = V_i * \log_{1.4}(p_i / p_f)
\Rightarrow V_f = 4*10^{-3} * \log{1.4}(3)
\Rightarrow V_f = 13 * 10^{-3}

x^\gamma = (e^{\ln{x})^\gamma} = e^{\gamma\ln{x}AM
 
As a follow-up to my last post, in case you found it too cryptic: your figures are correct (although you should state the units, particularly in your answer). The problem is with algebra.

AM
 
Thank you ! Using this and your previous posts I was able to find the answer for both (a) and (c) now. (how do i mark this thread as solved ?)
 
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