Efficiency of a Simple 3-Stage Ideal Gas Cycle: Analyzing Thermal Efficiency η

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the thermal efficiency of a simple 3-stage ideal gas cycle, focusing on the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature at various stages of the cycle. Participants are exploring the derivation of the efficiency formula and the implications of the assumptions made regarding heat capacities and work done.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the thermal efficiency formula and are questioning the validity of certain steps in the derivation, particularly regarding the work done and heat added during the cycle. There are inquiries about the treatment of adiabatic processes and the implications of the efficiency exceeding one.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the derivation process. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the algebra and the interpretation of work done versus heat added, suggesting a need for clarity in the definitions and relationships involved.

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There are concerns about the assumptions made regarding constant heat capacities and the implications of the derived efficiency exceeding one, which raises questions about the correctness of the approach taken. Participants are also considering the effects of sign conventions in the work-energy relationships.

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A possible ideal-gas cycle operates as follows:

1. From an initial state (##p_1##, ##V_1##) the gas is cooled at constant pressure to (##p_1##, ##V_2##); Let's call the start and end temperature ##T_1## and ##T_2##

2.The gas is heated at constant volume to (##p_2##, ##V_2##);Lets call the start and end temperature ##T_2## and ##T_3##

3.The gas expands adiabatically back to (##p_1##, ##V_1##). Let's call the start and end temperature ##T_3## and ##T_1##
Assuming constant heat capacities, show that the thermal efficiency η is

$$
\eta=1-\gamma\frac{V_2/V_1 -1}{p_2/p_1-1}
$$Efficiencey is defined as: $$\eta=\frac{W}{Q_h}$$ the work done over the heat entered. The heat enters at stage 2 (and some leaves at stage 1 but that doesn't matter). So I need to find the heat entered at stage 2 and the work done.

**Stage 1:**

From the ideal gas equation we get:
$$
p_1V_1=nRT_1, \ \ \ \ p_2V_2=nRT_2 \implies \frac{T_2}{T_1}=\frac{V_2}{V_1}
$$

The work done is just force times distance which is pressure times change in volume:

$$
\Delta W=-p_1\Delta V=-p_1(V_2-V_1)
$$
**Stage 2:**

It doesn't change in volume and so no work is done. However heat is put into the system, increasing the pressure. We need to find this heat.

##\Delta U= Q_h##

For an ideal gas we have:
$$
\Delta U= C_v\Delta T=C_v(T_3-T_2)
$$

Where ##C_v## is heat capacity at constant volume.

**Stage 3:**

Stage 3 is adiabatic so ##\Delta U=\Delta W=C_v(T_1-T_3)##

We also have, using the ideal gas law:
$$
T_3=\frac{p_2V_2}{p_1V_1}T_1
$$Let us sub this into the efficiency:

$$
\eta=\frac{C_v(T_1-T_3)-p_1(V_2-V_1)}{C_v(T_3-T_2)}
$$

If we get ##T_3## and ##T_2## in terms of ##T_1## and sub these in we get:

$$
\eta=-1-\frac{p_1(V_2-V_1)}{C_vT_1(\frac{p_2V_2}{p_1V_1}-\frac{V_2}{V_1})}
$$
And with the ideal gas law, with ##n=1## for simplicity we get ##T_1=\frac{p_1V_1}{R}##

$$
\implies\eta=-1-\frac{R(V_2/V_1-1)}{C_vT_1(\frac{p_2V_2}{p_1V_1}-\frac{V_2}{V_1})}
$$

##R=C_p-C_v## and ##\gamma=C_p/C_v##

$$
\implies\eta=-1-\frac{(\gamma-1)(V_2/V_1-1)}{C_vT_1(\frac{p_2}{p_1}-1)\frac{V_2}{V_1}}
$$

I have no real clue really if this is right or wrong.
 
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Toby_phys said:
Stage 3 is adiabatic so ##\Delta U=\Delta W=C_v(T_1-T_3)##
How did you get this for an adiabatic process?
 
kuruman said:
How did you get this for an adiabatic process?

##dq=0## for adiabatic process I think
 
Toby_phys said:
Assuming constant heat capacities, show that the thermal efficiency η is

$$
\eta=1-\gamma\frac{V_2/V_1 -1}{p_2/p_1-1}
$$
This can't be correct since it yields ##\eta > 1##. Note ##p_2 > p_1## and ##V_2 < V_1##.
Efficiencey is defined as: $$\eta=\frac{W}{Q_h}$$ the work done over the heat entered.
OK. But ##W## represents the work done by the gas. Later in your work, it looks like you calculate the work done on the gas. This can lead to sign errors.

Let us sub this into the efficiency:

$$
\eta=\frac{C_v(T_1-T_3)-p_1(V_2-V_1)}{C_v(T_3-T_2)}
$$

If we get ##T_3## and ##T_2## in terms of ##T_1## and sub these in we get:

$$
\eta=-1-\frac{p_1(V_2-V_1)}{C_vT_1(\frac{p_2V_2}{p_1V_1}-\frac{V_2}{V_1})}
$$
Looks like maybe you made an error in getting the -1 part of the second equation above. Note that the denominator of the first equation does not cancel the first term of the numerator of the first equation to yield -1.

I think the algebra will be simpler if you use the fact that the work done by the gas during the cycle equals the total heat added during the cycle. (WHY?)

The heat added consists of heat added at constant volume and heat added at constant pressure. So you can write the work as the sum of two terms with the first term involving ##C_V## and the second term involving ##C_P##.

You know that the heat , ##Q_h##, is for the constant volume process and therefore involves ##C_V##. So, when you set up the efficiency, you will find that the ratio of ##C_P## to ##C_V## will pop up in the algebra and that will give you the ##\gamma## factor you need.
 
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