Work and Internal Energy for Adiabatic Processes

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of work and internal energy in the context of adiabatic processes, specifically focusing on the behavior of gases during expansion and compression. Participants explore the implications of the first law of thermodynamics and the relationships between work, temperature, and internal energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants examine the relationship between temperature and work during adiabatic expansion and compression, questioning whether temperature increases or decreases in these scenarios. They also discuss the implications of work done by or on the gas and how it affects internal energy.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the underlying principles of adiabatic processes. Some have provided insights into the behavior of gases under compression and expansion, while others are seeking clarification on specific points, particularly regarding temperature changes and the application of the first law of thermodynamics.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of thermodynamic principles, including the definitions of work done by the gas versus work done on the gas, and how these relate to changes in internal energy. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in understanding these concepts, particularly in the context of homework constraints.

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Homework Statement
In an adiabatic expansion, a gas does 25J of work while in an adiabatic compression, 100 J of work **is done on** the gas. Find the change in internal energy for the processes.
Relevant Equations
## dQ = dU + dW ## (where dW is the work done by the gas) ... (1)
## dQ = 0## for adiabatic processes. ... (2)
## W = \frac {nR(T_1 - T_2)}{\gamma -1}## (not required but relates to my question)... (3)
Using (2) on (1) give ## dU = -dW##... (4)
A.For expansion since the gas goes from ##(P_1, V_1, T_1)## to ##(P_2, V_2, T_2)##, does this imply ##T_1 \leq T_2 ##?
B. If so, then ##W## for adiabatic expansion would be negative (using (3))? Using negative ##dW## in (4) gives us a positive result for ##dU##?
C. For compression, it would be the opposite?
D. But since the question mentions work done on the gas we can read this as negative work done by the gas, which gives us the same sign as in B.?
 
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Additionally, I ran into the following problem :

In an adiabatic compression, the decrease in volume is associated with : (increase/decrease in temperature and increase/decrease in pressure)? (Sol. : During an adiabatic compression, temperature and **hence internal energy** of the gas increases. In compression pressure will increase.)

E. I understand that since compression occurs, pressure increases, what I don't understand, however, is why temperature increases, how this is deduced. (?)

Thanks!
 
JC2000 said:
Problem Statement: In an adiabatic expansion, a gas does 25J of work while in an adiabatic compression, 100 J of work **is done on** the gas. Find the change in internal energy for the processes.
Relevant Equations: ## dQ = dU + dW ## (where dW is the work done by the gas) ... (1)
## dQ = 0## for adiabatic processes. ... (2)
## W = \frac {nR(T_1 - T_2)}{\gamma -1}## (not required but relates to my question)... (3)

Using (2) on (1) give ## dU = -dW##... (4)
A.For expansion since the gas goes from ##(P_1, V_1, T_1)## to ##(P_2, V_2, T_2)##, does this imply ##T_1 \leq T_2 ##?
B. If so, then ##W## for adiabatic expansion would be negative (using (3))? Using negative ##dW## in (4) gives us a positive result for ##dU##?
C. For compression, it would be the opposite?
D. But since the question mentions work done on the gas we can read this as negative work done by the gas, which gives us the same sign as in B.?
The correct form of the first law to apply to this problem is $$\Delta U=Q-W$$ That is because you are dealing with finite changes that may or may not be reversible. For the expansion, the work done by the system on its surroundings is W = +25 J, so ##\Delta U=-25 J##. For the compression, the work done by the system on its surroundings is W = -100 J, so ##\Delta U = +100 J##.
 
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JC2000 said:
Additionally, I ran into the following problem :

In an adiabatic compression, the decrease in volume is associated with : (increase/decrease in temperature and increase/decrease in pressure)? (Sol. : During an adiabatic compression, temperature and **hence internal energy** of the gas increases. In compression pressure will increase.)

E. I understand that since compression occurs, pressure increases, what I don't understand, however, is why temperature increases, how this is deduced. (?)

Thanks!
The internal energy of an ideal gas increases monotonically with increasing temperature. You have done adiabatic work on the gas (i.e., on the molecules at the boundary of the gas, that then transfer the energy via collisions to the molecules further from the boundary), so their kinetic energy increases, which corresponds to an increase in temperature and internal energy.
 
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Chestermiller said:
The correct form of the first law to apply to this problem is $$\Delta U=Q-W$$ That is because you are dealing with finite changes that may or may not be reversible. For the expansion, the work done by the system on its surroundings is W = +25 J, so ##\Delta U=-25 J##. For the compression, the work done by the system on its surroundings is W = -100 J, so ##\Delta U = +100 J##.

Chestermiller said:
The internal energy of an ideal gas increases monotonically with increasing temperature. You have done adiabatic work on the gas (i.e., on the molecules at the boundary of the gas, that then transfer the energy via collisions to the molecules further from the boundary), so their kinetic energy increases, which corresponds to an increase in temperature and internal energy.

Thank you! That makes a lot of sense!
Apologies for phrasing my questions quite badly (A,B,C,D).
 

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