Adiabatic Process (Poisson’s equations)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of adiabatic processes in thermodynamics, specifically focusing on the relationship between pressure and volume during such processes. Participants are examining the assumptions related to the work done in these processes, particularly the equation dW = PdV.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are exploring the validity of the equation dW = PdV in the context of varying pressure. There are comparisons made to other physical scenarios, such as a particle moving with varying velocity, to illustrate the point that instantaneous values can be used even when they are not constant.

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Some participants have provided references to external resources for further reading on the derivation of the P–V relation for adiabatic processes. However, there appears to be a lack of consensus on the effectiveness of these resources, with some expressing that they did not find the information helpful.

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Participants are navigating through assumptions related to the constancy of pressure in the context of adiabatic processes, and there are indications of differing interpretations of the provided resources.

Taulant Sholla
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I'm lacking clarity with the statements I highlighted in the passage found in my physics textbook. It is stated that P, V, and T all vary during an adiabatic process, but the next box I highlighted uses dW=PdV which assumes pressure is constant during this process. These seem to be contradictory statements. What am I missing here? Thank you.
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Taulant Sholla said:
the next box I highlighted uses dW=PdV which assumes pressure is constant during this process.

The relation ##dW = PdV## does not assume that ##P## is constant during the process.

A similar example would be a particle moving along the x-axis with a varying velocity. At some instant of time, you can write the instantaneous velocity as ##v = dx/dt##. This can be "rearranged" as ##dx = vdt##. So, the displacement during an infinitesimal time interval ##dt## is ##dx = vdt##. This is valid even though ##v## is not constant during the motion.
 
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TSny said:
The relation ##dW = PdV## does not assume that ##P## is constant during the process.

A similar example would be a particle moving along the x-axis with a varying velocity. At some instant of time, you can write the instantaneous velocity as ##v = dx/dt##. This can be "rearranged" as ##dx = vdt##. So, the displacement during an infinitesimal time interval ##dt## is ##dx = vdt##. This is valid even though ##v## is not constant during the motion.

Please accept my belated thank you! This really helped!
 
Lnewqban said:
Please, look for "Derivation of PV relation for adiabatic heating and cooling" at this article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process

I did, it didn't help. Thanks anyway - I got an assist from another kind soul.
 

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