Admittance into university abroad

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and opportunities for gaining admission to university abroad, specifically in mathematics and physics, for individuals lacking a secondary school diploma. Participants explore various international admission processes, particularly in the US and Switzerland, and the implications of language requirements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to study mathematics and/or physics but lacks the required secondary school diploma, seeking alternative admission routes abroad.
  • Another participant notes that in the US, gaining admission to reputable physics or math programs typically requires a secondary school diploma.
  • A participant studying at ETH in Switzerland mentions that admission is possible through an entrance examination at any age, with parental consent required for those under 18.
  • One contributor shares their personal experience with a secondary school diploma that does not meet the requirements for university admission in the Netherlands, discussing the difficulties of pursuing higher education options locally.
  • Concerns are raised about the adequacy of knowledge in mathematics and physics and the challenges of transportation to distant schools offering preparatory programs.
  • Another participant highlights the necessity of a language test in German for admission to ETH, noting that exemptions are available through recognized language certificates.
  • Questions arise regarding the implications of studying in an English-speaking country given the participant's limited language skills beyond English and Dutch.

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Participants express varying perspectives on the feasibility of admission to universities abroad without a secondary school diploma. There is no consensus on the best path forward, and multiple competing views regarding admission processes in different countries remain evident.

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The discussion reflects limitations in understanding specific admission requirements across different countries and institutions, as well as the potential impact of language proficiency on the admission process.

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I want to study mathematics and/or physics, at this point aiming for doing research in either a field in mathematics or/and (theoretical) physics, although I don't have the required diploma from secondary school. I live in the Netherlands and there are merely laborious, impractical ways to get admitted into university in my case. Sadly, I have to be 21 or older to take an entrance examination. I think I'm ready for university for a couple of reasons, although there are no other than the common ways to get admitted. I'd like to ask whether there are any opportunities for me to get admitted into university abroad and how this can be fulfilled in a time less than a few years. To add, I've heard there are roundabout ways for one to get admitted into university. Is this true, where, and does/could this apply to me too?
 
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I don't know how things work in other countries, but in the US it will be hard to get into any physics or math program of repute without a secondary school diploma.
 
In Switzerland, more specifically at the ETH (where I'm currently studying) I believe you can be admitted by taking an entrance examination at any age, although if you're under 18 you will need your parents consent. The application deadline is something in April I think and the examinations will be in August/September
 
fss said:
I don't know how things work in other countries, but in the US it will be hard to get into any physics or math program of repute without a secondary school diploma.

I do have a secondary school diploma, although its a diploma of higher general secondary education, in contrast to pre-university education. At least here in the Netherlands it is determined what 'level' you will continue studying at in the first year of secondary school. At the time I was 12 years old and in a discouraging environment as regards to studying and thinking about my future. Today I can only regret that and seek for the best solution as I only want to go to university. I'd get admitted into higher vocational education with my diploma. There are a few programs to move up to university for cases like me, although, especially with physics and mathematics, these are very laborious, incomplete and are offered at somewhat distant schools I can only reach by constantly changing transport and it would be roundabout to go and live in lodgings in this case. Lastly, my knowledge about mathematics and/or physics is either adequate or inadequate for a matter of weeks and I've got a certificate in English but thus far this plus my ambitions apparently hadn't been able to get myself admitted in the Netherlands. I've understand it is hard to get into any physics or math program of repute in the US, but what do you think is possible for me in the US, given that I'd show much effort?

Anden said:
In Switzerland, more specifically at the ETH (where I'm currently studying) I believe you can be admitted by taking an entrance examination at any age, although if you're under 18 you will need your parents consent. The application deadline is something in April I think and the examinations will be in August/September

I'm indeed under 18. I'll do some research, although I'd prefer an English speaking country. Would the lack of knowledge of any language except for English and Dutch be an issue if I'd decide to go and study there?
 
I believe you have to do a language test as part of the examinations, it's in high german. The language test is mandatory even if you have a secondary school diploma, the only way to be exempted from it (as I was) is to get a language certificate (for example a Goethe Certificate, TestDaf, Österreichisches Sprachdiplom C1 or something equivalent), though that's on the ETH. There might be different rules at the EPFL which is in the french-speaking part of Switzerland.
 
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