Adv. Functions: Rate of Change in Rational Functions

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the slope of the tangent line for the function f(x) = 5/√(3x) at the point x=1. Participants are exploring the concept of rates of change in rational functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to calculate the slope of the tangent line using the definition of the derivative, specifically through the method of secant slopes. There is a focus on clarifying the correct form of the function and ensuring proper notation in their calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the clarity of the original poster's notation and have suggested corrections to improve readability. There is ongoing clarification regarding the function's definition, and while some guidance has been offered, no consensus on the final outcome has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the need for proper mathematical notation, including parentheses and LaTeX formatting, to avoid misinterpretation of the function and its derivatives.

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Homework Statement


mtan for f(x) = 5/√ 3x ... at x=1

Homework Equations


msec = y2-y1 / x2-x1

The Attempt at a Solution


The two points I got from the equation: (1, 5/√ 3) and (1+h, 5/√ 3+h)

msec = f(1+h) - f(1) / h
= (5/√ 3+h - 5/√ 3) / h ... multiply top and bottom by denominators (√ 3+h) and (√ 3)
= 5√ 3 - 5√ 3+h / h(√ 3+h)(√ 3) ... multiply top and bottom by the conjugate (5√ 3 + 5√ 3+h)
= 25√ 9 + 25√ 9+h - 25√ 9+h - 25√ 9+h2 / h(√ 3+h)(√ 3)(5√ 3+5√ 3+h)
= 25√ 9 - 25√ 9+h2 / h(√ 9+h)(5√ 3+5√ 3+h)
= 75 - 25√ 9+h2 / h(5√ 27+3h + 5√ 27+3h2)

No idea if this is right and where I'm going with this.
I don't know the answer to this question either, so can't check my work...
 
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harujina said:

Homework Statement


mtan for f(x) = 5/√ 3x ... at x=1
Please clarify what you're saying here. Which if these is your function?
$$1. f(x) = \frac{5}{\sqrt{3}}x$$
$$2. f(x) = \frac{5}{\sqrt{3x}}$$
$$3. f(x) = \frac{5}{\sqrt{3}x}$$
harujina said:

Homework Equations


msec = y2-y1 / x2-x1

The Attempt at a Solution


The two points I got from the equation: (1, 5/√ 3) and (1+h, 5/√ 3+h)

msec = f(1+h) - f(1) / h
= (5/√ 3+h - 5/√ 3) / h ... multiply top and bottom by denominators (√ 3+h) and (√ 3)
= 5√ 3 - 5√ 3+h / h(√ 3+h)(√ 3) ... multiply top and bottom by the conjugate (5√ 3 + 5√ 3+h)
= 25√ 9 + 25√ 9+h - 25√ 9+h - 25√ 9+h2 / h(√ 3+h)(√ 3)(5√ 3+5√ 3+h)
= 25√ 9 - 25√ 9+h2 / h(√ 9+h)(5√ 3+5√ 3+h)
= 75 - 25√ 9+h2 / h(5√ 27+3h + 5√ 27+3h2)

No idea if this is right and where I'm going with this.
I don't know the answer to this question either, so can't check my work...
 
Mark44 said:
Please clarify what you're saying here. Which if these is your function?
$$1. f(x) = \frac{5}{\sqrt{3}}x$$
$$2. f(x) = \frac{5}{\sqrt{3x}}$$
$$3. f(x) = \frac{5}{\sqrt{3}x}$$
Oh, the second one.
$$2. f(x) = \frac{5}{\sqrt{3x}}$$
Sorry about that!
 
harujina said:

Homework Statement


mtan for f(x) = 5/√ 3x ... at x=1

Homework Equations


msec = y2-y1 / x2-x1

The Attempt at a Solution


The two points I got from the equation: (1, 5/√ 3) and (1+h, 5/√ 3+h)
You need more parentheses.
The second point should be written as (1 + h, 5/√(3 + h)), otherwise the 2nd coordinate looks like this:
$$ \frac{5}{\sqrt{3}} + h$$
harujina said:
msec = f(1+h) - f(1) / h
The right side should be written as (f(1 + h) - f(1))/h. Most would interpret what you wrote as
$$ f(1 + h) - \frac{f(1)}{h}$$
harujina said:
= (5/√ 3+h - 5/√ 3) / h ... multiply top and bottom by denominators (√ 3+h) and (√ 3)
= 5√ 3 - 5√ 3+h / h(√ 3+h)(√ 3) ... multiply top and bottom by the conjugate (5√ 3 + 5√ 3+h)
You have the right idea, but with all the missing parentheses, it's just too hard to read.
harujina said:
= 25√ 9 + 25√ 9+h - 25√ 9+h - 25√ 9+h2 / h(√ 3+h)(√ 3)(5√ 3+5√ 3+h)
= 25√ 9 - 25√ 9+h2 / h(√ 9+h)(5√ 3+5√ 3+h)
= 75 - 25√ 9+h2 / h(5√ 27+3h + 5√ 27+3h2)

No idea if this is right and where I'm going with this.
I don't know the answer to this question either, so can't check my work...
 
When it's completely simplified, you should get this:
$$ \frac{-5\sqrt{3}}{6}$$

BTW, LaTeX makes it much easier to read, and isn't that hard to write.
To create a fraction, do this:
Code:
\frac{a + b}{c}
I don't show the pairs of $ symbols at front and back.
This renders like so:
$$\frac{a + b}{c}$$

To create a square root, do this:
Code:
\sqrt{3 + h}
Again, you need $ pairs at front and back.
This is how it looks in the browser:
$$\sqrt{3 + h}$$
 
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