Advice on Jobs for Maths/Model Graduates in London

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The discussion revolves around seeking advice for job opportunities in London for graduates with a background in mathematics and applied mathematical modeling. Participants explore potential career paths, recruitment strategies, and the effectiveness of personal statements in CVs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to transition from finance to a role more aligned with their MSc in Applied Mathematical Modelling, mentioning specific fields of interest such as actuary, risk analysis, and scientific modeling.
  • Another participant questions whether the job seeker intends to work through recruiters or directly with HR departments, noting that many listed firms may primarily serve as resume farms.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity and effectiveness of the job seeker's personal statement, with some participants suggesting it relies too heavily on buzzwords and lacks specific technical content relevant to the desired fields.
  • One participant critiques the personal statement, suggesting it does not convincingly demonstrate the candidate's knowledge of industry-standard programs or practical applications of their skills.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of the personal statement or the best approach to job searching. There are differing opinions on the value of using recruiters versus direct applications, as well as varying perspectives on how to present qualifications effectively.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the job seeker's qualifications and the relevance of their experience in finance to the desired roles in applied mathematics. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the specific skills and knowledge the job seeker possesses related to computational fluid dynamics and finite element analysis.

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Hi everyone, I have just joined PF.

I just had wanted a bit of advise. I have a BSc in Mathmatics, Statistics & Computing and an MSc in Applied Mathematical Modelling with Scientific Computing. Graduated almsot 3 years ago. I have been working in admin/finance roles since then. At the moment I work in finance (Accounts Reciable). I want to change fields, something more in line with my MSc. I know a change of field is not easy (and have been thinking about it for a while but have had other personal things going on). Something in London would be ideal, as I live here already.

I have started researching into the types of fields I can go into (however, I know there is more). Firstly, some modules I was interested were in applied maths: actuary, calculus, computation fluid dynamics, finite element anlaysis, scientific modelling. My ideal job would involve these sorts of things. I have researched and a few fields I can go into are: actuary, risk, aerospace & defense contractors, enineering/data scientist/research scientist, scientific/mathematical modelling and simulation, & forensics.

Does anyone knows of any other types of fields I can go into, or any top companies with roles suited for me, or are there also engineering/applied mathematical related agencies I could contact. If there is any other advise please can leave me it would help.

Also, I am amending my CV to become more Applied Maths. Is the following ok for a profile at the beginning or is it too general:
"I am a self-motivated, ambitious and diligent mathematical science postgraduate. I have experience in finance which required extensive data analysis, reporting and initiative whilst multi-tasking, prioritising and paying attention-to-detail. My passion is to progress intellectually and professionally in the applied mathematical/scientific modeling industry, with a dynamic and inspiring company that supplements my versatility and abilities. I am willing to learn and embrace challenging environments."

I have a list of 54 companies/agencies so far. What do people recommend/not recommend?
100% admin recruitment ltd
1pgr
agility global ltd
anne jagger
arml
AS recruitment
aspiredata
BAE
blackswangroup
Bluefire engineering and technical
blueglue
brimstone-consulting
carlton-recruitment
celsius recruitment
datatech
drs commodities
EDF
Elite employee ltd
Elliot marsh headhunters
F1
first actuarial
grad-central
graduate-recruitment
greenwich
grovelands
harcourt matthews
hudson
Hunter and chase – national and international headhunters
Hw search and selection ltd
icap
Intec (uk) ltd
jam recruitment
Kbc associates
Linkpoint resources limited
M8 recruitment ltd
Mana resourcing ltd
manpower
Mechanical and electrical agency
monarchit
parallel consulting
park siderec
placement-solutions
Premier group recruitment
Prospects
red snapper group
resourcing group
stiles recruitment
Temp find
The advocate group
Unity recruitment
walkerjoice-recruitment
your recruit


Thanks
 
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First, are you looking to get work through a recruiter or are you willing to attempt negotiating through the HR divisions themselves?

Many of the the firms you list are from companies that simply farm your resume or CV to other companies. Such recruiters are often used for extremely specialized or high profile jobs. However, you are still very much a generalist. I'm not sure how well such recruiters can help you in your situation.
 
sunnyd89 said:
Hi everyone, I have just joined PF.

I just had wanted a bit of advise.

You say you live in London. You haven't even got the excuse of living in the US or somewhere!

I wouldn't give a job to anybody who doesn't know the difference between "advise" and "advice"! :-p
 
sunnyd89 said:
Is the following ok for a profile at the beginning or is it too general:
"I am a self-motivated, ambitious and diligent mathematical science postgraduate. I have experience in finance which required extensive data analysis, reporting and initiative whilst multi-tasking, prioritising and paying attention-to-detail. My passion is to progress intellectually and professionally in the applied mathematical/scientific modeling industry, with a dynamic and inspiring company that supplements my versatility and abilities. I am willing to learn and embrace challenging environments."
To be honest: It's a nice bag of buzzwords and hollow phrases with a spice of "I worked in finance where I did data analysis". No offense meant. But for me this is the type of text that explains how scientists can send dozens of applications without getting an interview.
 
sunnyd89 said:
Is the following ok for a profile at the beginning or is it too general:
"I am a self-motivated, ambitious and diligent mathematical science postgraduate. I have experience in finance which required extensive data analysis, reporting and initiative whilst multi-tasking, prioritising and paying attention-to-detail. My passion is to progress intellectually and professionally in the applied mathematical/scientific modeling industry, with a dynamic and inspiring company that supplements my versatility and abilities. I am willing to learn and embrace challenging environments."

I'll give you my brutal translation of that, sitting on the other side of the interview as an engineer:

"In my time in finance I've learned how to play management buzzword bingo".

If you want to do CFD or FE analysis, you had better give prospective employers the idea you actually know something about them, - not just the mathematical theory behind them, but how to use some of the industry standard programs.

A good way to self-evaluate that type of "personal statement" is to ask yourself if anybody would ever write the opposite, i.e. "I am an unmotivated, unambitious and lazy mathematical science postgraduate", etc. If not, it is content-free.

If you want to convince me you are motivated, versatile, etc, follow the principle of "don't tell me, show me".
 

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