Advice on my outline on undergraduate physics curriculum

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The discussion revolves around the selection of textbooks for an undergraduate physics curriculum, focusing on the order of study and the adequacy of specific texts in covering essential topics such as classical mechanics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, and thermodynamics. Participants seek advice on the best resources for mastering these subjects, particularly in relation to Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to relearn physics due to perceived weaknesses in their education and seeks feedback on their proposed textbook order.
  • Another participant suggests using Kleppner and Kolenkow for Newtonian mechanics and recommends switching to another text for Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics.
  • A participant inquires about the best book for learning Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, indicating they have considered multiple options.
  • One participant shares their experience using Taylor and Marion for Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, noting the cost of Taylor as a potential drawback.
  • Another participant mentions that Griffiths is a more advanced text for electromagnetism and suggests Purcell as a suitable intermediate alternative.
  • There is a discussion about the verbosity of Taylor's text, with one participant expressing a preference for more concise resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have differing opinions on the best resources for Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, with no consensus reached on which book is superior. There is also a lack of agreement on the best approach to studying electromagnetism, with suggestions for both Griffiths and Purcell.

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Participants have not fully resolved the question of which texts are most suitable for specific topics, and there are varying levels of comfort with the recommended materials. The discussion reflects a range of personal experiences and preferences regarding textbook choices.

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Students and educators in undergraduate physics looking for recommendations on textbooks for classical mechanics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, and thermodynamics may find this discussion beneficial.

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I have studied physics during my undergraduate years but I want to relearn everything as I came to my realization that I'm weak because of the quality of education I got. So far, I want to know if my order of study is good.

Classical Mechanics:
An Introduction to Mechanics by Kleppner and Kolenkow

Electromagnetism:
Introduction to Electrodynamics by Griffiths

Quantum Mechanics:
Quantum Mechanics by Zettili

Thermodynamics:
Thermal Physics by Kittel

Now my question is, does kleppner suffice as a mechanics text for the whole undergraduate curriculum (regardless of lagrangian and hamiltonian)? Because I think kleppner is good but I don't know where to study lagrangian and hamiltonian, given that kleppner already covered all Newtonian mechanics. I tried to read books by Gregory, Fowles, Finch, Taylor,etc in Classical Mechanics but I still think that Kleppner is far superior in the Newtonian part, but the problem is that it doesn't involve lagrangian and hamiltonian. Any advice?
 
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Why not use two books for classical mechanics? First, use K&K for Newtonian mechanics, then switch to one of the others for Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics.
 
That is a possibility which I already thought of but I'm thinking, which one is the best book to learn lagrangian and hamiltonian?
 
I used Taylor and Marion in my lagrangian/hamiltonian course. Taylor is expensive though so maybe just start with a used copy of an old edition of Marion for dirt cheap.

My undergrad electromagnetism course officially used Griffiths but I'm pretty sure our instructor got most of the lecture material and assignments from Jackson and some other obscure grad level text I can't remember at the moment.

Griffiths' quantum mechanics is also good.
 
I don't mind buying more expensive copies. I just want to know which one is better, I think Taylor is too verbose.
 
Griffiths is a more advanced book on E&M. Depending on your comfort with the introductory level material, you may be better suited to use Electricity & Magnetism by Purcell. It's an excellent intermediate level treatment that's comparable to K&K for classical mechanics in depth and difficulty.
 

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