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The discussion revolves around aerogel, its properties, applications, and comparisons to other materials, particularly in the context of insulation. Participants explore its use in various missions and potential applications, while also addressing its mechanical properties and limitations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that aerogel is considered the best insulator on Earth and has been used in applications like the Mars Rover and the Stardust Mission.
  • Others express skepticism about its mechanical strength, mentioning that it is fragile and brittle, which may limit its applications.
  • A participant suggests that aerogel could be useful in fire-fighter protective gear, but cites production costs as a potential barrier to wider use.
  • There is a discussion about the characteristics of aerogel, with some questioning why it is called a gel given its foam-like properties.
  • One participant wonders if aerogel could replace vacuum insulation in thermoses, while acknowledging that vacuum is typically the best insulator.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the materials used in the Space Shuttle's Thermal Protection System, with some asserting that it consists of carbon and silica ceramic tiles rather than aerogel.
  • Participants describe their experiences with aerogel, noting its lightweight and fragile nature, and comparing it to other materials like shuttle tiles.

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Participants express a range of views on aerogel's properties and applications, with no clear consensus on its mechanical strength or potential uses. The discussion remains unresolved regarding its comparison to other insulating materials.

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Limitations include uncertainty about the specific applications of aerogel beyond those mentioned, as well as the mechanical properties that may affect its usability in various contexts.

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Today I went to the JPL at Pasadena, and I saw the Aerogel. It is said it is the best insulator on Earth. They used it for insulating the Mars Rover vehicles. But it seems that is weak when shear stress is applied.

Do you know what are the current applications of Aerogel, and why is it not used more often?.
 
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I don't know of any current uses other than shuttle tiles. The stuff is truly amazing, and should have applications in such things as fire-fighter protective gear. I suspect that the main problems are production cost and the fact that, from the last time I saw a report about it, it's very fragile (brittle) in terms of mechanical strength.
 
I know it was used in the Stardust Mission to trap and return samples from a comet.
 
I was messing around with my friends aerogel sample that he got from a private tour of jpl since caltech is only about 40 minutes away.

it was more of a foam than a gell and it breaks apart if you squeeze it and rub your fingers together

it doesn't seem to have much use to me other than taking up a lot of space with little mass. maybe if they need to fill an area with something stable that isn't too heavy they fill it up with aerogell
 
It doesn't seem to have the characteristics of gel, does it? I wonder why they call it that then. If its such a good insulator, do you think that it can replace the vacuum we use as an insulator, like in a thermos. Of course vacuum is definitely the best insulator, but it isn't true vacuum we have there and maybe it can play a role in deflecting/absorbing emf rays.
 
It appears that I was mistaken about something. Aren't the shuttle tiles a specialized form of aerogel?
 
As far as I know, the Space Shuttle's Thermal protection System consists of carbon and silica ceramic tiles. There's a really cool picture of a guy holding a red-hot piece of silica tile fresh out of the kiln. They say because the thermal conductivity of the tile is so low he can hold it for up to 10 seconds!

http://www.answers.com/topic/space-shuttle-thermal-protection-system
 
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As far as I know, the Space Shuttle's Thermal protection System consists of carbon and silica ceramic tiles. There's a really cool picture of a guy holding a red-hot piece of silica tile fresh out of the kiln. They say because the thermal conductivity of the tile is so low he can hold it for up to 10 seconds!

http://www.answers.com/topic/space-shuttle-thermal-protection-system

Yes, I've seen and held both and although they are both unique the shuttle tiles are more like "malted milk balls" if you will, an airy spongy substance but still "solid" in that they are hard and would crumble if you were to crush them with your hand. The AeroGel appears to be a gel and looks like jello almost but holding it is like holding air, in fact I never actually "held" it but held a plastic bag containing it as it's far too easy to lose if you were to try and physically hold it yourself.
 
Thanks for the clarification.
 
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reinforced carbon-carbon isn't aerogel

aerogel is a somewhat foam-like gray solid. when you are doing things with it, its like a piece of extremely light foam
 

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