After giancoli physics what other books can i try?

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for physics and math textbooks following the completion of Giancoli's Physics 5th edition. Participants explore options for further study in physics, particularly focusing on the transition from algebra-based to calculus-based texts, as well as suggestions for math resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks recommendations for physics and math textbooks after completing Giancoli's Physics 5th edition.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on which version of Giancoli was read and the participant's math background, suggesting that calculus is necessary for deeper understanding of physics.
  • It is noted that if the participant has not taken calculus, precalculus might be a prerequisite before advancing to calculus-based physics texts.
  • Popular recommendations for next-level mechanics texts include Kleppner and John Taylor, while Purcell is suggested for electromagnetism.
  • A suggestion is made for an "Introduction to Modern Physics" course, with a specific textbook linked.
  • One participant critiques Giancoli as a book that emphasizes formulas over concepts and suggests that the participant may not yet be ready for more advanced texts like Kleppner or Purcell without a solid calculus foundation.
  • For those interested in relativity, several books are recommended, ranging from easier to more challenging, emphasizing that relativity can be understood with minimal math.
  • A recommendation for a calculus resource is made, specifically "Calculus Made Easy" by Silvanus Thompson, as a more approachable option for learning calculus.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of learning calculus as a prerequisite for advancing in physics, but there is no consensus on the best next steps or specific texts for the participant's situation, reflecting a variety of opinions on suitable resources.

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There is uncertainty regarding the participant's current level of mathematical knowledge and readiness for more advanced physics texts, which may affect the appropriateness of the recommendations given.

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so...i have just finished my giancoli physics and i want to do more physics during summer
any recomendation?
Mind you that i have only done grade 12 advanced functions so if you want to recommend any math textbooks as well it will help me a lot
 
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We'll be glad to help, but you haven't been clear on where you are. Which Giancoli did you read, the algebra version, or the calculus version? And what math have you taken? "Advanced functions" could be anything. Try relating your level to something used outside of your high school, like Calculus AB.

But to save some time, if you haven't taken calculus, then that's your next step (or precalculus first, if you need it), and then you can read a calculus-based physics text. Calculus will allow you to actually derive physical principles, rather than just memorize them.

If you already know calculus, and you have finished Giancoli's calculus-based text, then you have several options. You should look at the websites of the physics departments of colleges you are interested in, and see what texts they use for second year students, but popular texts for the next level up in mechanics are Kleppner or John Taylor, and for E&M is Purcell (Berkeley Course Vol 2).
 
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oh my bad
its Giancoli Physics 5th edition (inside cover says principles with applications) with a skier on the cover

Thanks for the reply
 
That's the algebra-based Giancoli book. The calculus based one is "Physics for Scientists & Engineers with Modern Physics".

So it looks like your next step is to learn some calculus.
 
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If you already know calculus, and you have finished Giancoli's calculus-based text, then you have several options. You should look at the websites of the physics departments of colleges you are interested in, and see what texts they use for second year students, but popular texts for the next level up in mechanics are Kleppner or John Taylor, and for E&M is Purcell (Berkeley Course Vol 2).

Giancoli is mostly a crappy plug-in book that teaches formulas rather than concepts, so I guess now the healing can begin :-)

Kleppner and Purcell are very good books for students who have extremely strong mathematical preparation, but it sounds like Nobelium doesn't know calculus, so I think that's a bad match.

Nobelium, if you're interested in learning some relativity, some books I like are (from easiest to hardest):
Takeuchi, An Illustrated Guide to Relativity
Mermin, It's About Time: Understanding Einstein's Relativity
Taylor and Wheeler, Spacetime Physics
The nice thing about relativity is that it can be understood with a minimum of math. Takeuchi and Mermin barely even use basic algebra.

If you can learn some calculus, you will have a much larger selection of higher-quality physics books you can use. Rather than wading through a 1000-page doorstop of a calc book, I'd recommend Calculus Made Easy by Silvanus Thompson.
 
ah gee thank you guys
 

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