Age of the Universe vs Age of the Stars

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The discussion revolves around the differing ages of objects in the universe, particularly the implications of a star that appears older than the universe itself. Participants explore the concept of a universe existing within another universe and the challenges of interpreting news articles related to cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants speculate about the idea of a bubble universe, suggesting that the universe could be inside an already existing universe, which may explain its expansion.
  • Others argue that such speculation lacks scientific basis and emphasize that news articles do not constitute valid scientific discourse.
  • One participant notes that the expansion of the universe is not a motion of objects through space, countering the notion of an "outer universe." They assert that there is no evidence for such a concept.
  • A reference is made to the Methuselah star, which appears to be older than the universe, highlighting ongoing work by astronomers to determine accurate ages of cosmic objects.
  • Several participants express frustration with the discussion, indicating a desire to disengage from the forum due to perceived trolling or lack of scientific rigor in the conversation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of speculative ideas regarding the universe's structure and the interpretation of news articles. There is no consensus on the implications of the differing ages of cosmic objects.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of relying on scientifically validated information rather than news articles, which may lack references to actual scientific research.

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Universe within universe
Recently a news article stated objects found in the universe have different ages, could it be that our universe is inside an already existing universe and that is why it is able to expand so easily.
 
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Benfield said:
Summary: Universe within universe

Recently a news article stated objects found in the universe have different ages, could it be that our universe is inside an already existing universe and that is why it is able to expand so easily.
It's difficult to make any sense of that. In general news items don't qualify as science.
 
He is probably speculating about a bubble universe. We have no way of testing this theory as far as I know and this forum is only about accepted knowledge.
 
I have a different age than you - but that doesn't imply anything about cosmology.

We know the expansion is not a motion of objects through space because that wouldn't fit to observations. No, we are not expanding inside an "outer universe", there is no such thing.
 
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There was a recent article about the age of the Methusalah star that appears to be older than the universe causing some consternation among cosmologists.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...-appear-older-than-the-universe/#63bc38323c44
Before we can even begin speculate about your question we need to have really good numbers for the age of things in the universe and that is the ongoing work of astronomers and cosmologists today.

https://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-resources/age-of-the-universe/
 
PeroK said:
It's difficult to make any sense of that. In general news items don't qualify as science.
Thank you I shall delete my membership always a pleasure.
 
mfb said:
I have a different age than you - but that doesn't imply anything about cosmology.

We know the expansion is not a motion of objects through space because that wouldn't fit to observations. No, we are not expanding inside an "outer universe", there is no such thing.
Thanks awfully account is being deleted to make room for the iluminati
 
PeroK said:
In general news items don't qualify as science.

Particularly when there's not a single reference to an actual scientific paper in the entire article.
 
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Benfield said:
Thank you I shall delete my membership always a pleasure.
Benfield said:
Thanks awfully account is being deleted to make room for the iluminati
We don't appreciate trolls here at the PF. Bye.
 
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