Aharanov-Bohm Effect: Where Does the Factor of c Come From?

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The discussion revolves around the Aharonov-Bohm effect, specifically focusing on the presence of the factor of c in the phase shift equation as presented in different unit systems. Participants explore the implications of using Heaviside-Lorentz units versus SI units, examining how these choices affect the interpretation of the equations involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the discrepancy in the phase shift equation between SI units and the original papers by Aharonov and Bohm, questioning the origin of the factor of c.
  • Another participant suggests that the difference may stem from the use of different systems of units.
  • A participant points out that in SI units, the equation appears without the factor of c, while the original formulation includes it, leading to confusion regarding unit consistency.
  • Concerns are raised about the units of the phase difference, with one participant observing that including c results in units of s/m, which seems inconsistent with the expectation of a dimensionless phase shift.
  • One participant identifies that the original paper uses Heaviside-Lorentz units, expressing a desire to understand why this leads to the inclusion of c.
  • Another participant elaborates on the characteristics of Heaviside-Lorentz units, explaining their advantages in the context of electromagnetism and Maxwell's equations, while contrasting them with SI units.
  • Further discussion highlights that in Gaussian units, the electric and magnetic fields share the same dimensions, which introduces a factor of c in the definitions of magnetic quantities compared to SI units.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of unit systems for the Aharonov-Bohm effect, with no consensus reached regarding the correct interpretation of the factor of c and its impact on unit consistency.

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There is an ongoing exploration of how different unit systems affect the definitions and relationships of physical quantities, particularly in the context of electromagnetism. Participants acknowledge that the units for various quantities differ significantly between Heaviside-Lorentz and SI units, which complicates the understanding of the equations involved.

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Every resource I can find that discusses the Aharonov-Bohm effect states that the phase shift in SI units is given by
[tex]\Delta\varphi=\frac{e}{\hbar}\oint{A\cdot dx}[/tex]
but in Ahranov and Bohm's original 1959 paper (and their subsequent 1961 paper) it is given as
[tex]\Delta\varphi=\frac{e}{c\hbar}\oint{A\cdot dx}[/tex]
I don't understand where the factor of c comes from. Does anyone have any ideas?
 
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Probably different systems of units.
 
That's what I thought, but it's usually SI units in which c appears explicitly, but the SI one is without the c.
 
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another thing...without c in the equation the units match. That is, the right hand side of the equation has no units, as does the left. With c in the equation, the change in flux strangely acquires the units of s/m.
 
As far as I can tell, it turns out that the original paper is in Heaviside-Lorentz units. Still trying to figure out exactly why this causes a factor of c to appear though.
 
Sure AB use the rationalized Gaussian units, also known as Heaviside-Lorentz units. While the SI units are good for practical purposes in engineering, the Heaviside-Lorentz units are the best in view of the general structure of electromagnetism as given by Maxwell's equations (and in QED too of course).

The basic additional unit of electromagnetism compared to mechanics is electric charge, and this is defined by the Coulomb force of point particles at rest. This force is given by the Coulomb potential

[tex]V(\vec{x}_1,\vec{x}_2)=\frac{q_1 q_2}{4 \pi |\vec{x}_1-\vec{x}_2|}.[/tex]

The electric and magnetic fields [tex]\vec{E}[/tex] and [tex]\vec{B}[/tex] have the same units as is natural from a relativistic point of view. The Lorentz force on a particle in an external electromagnetic field [tex](\vec{E},\vec{B})[/tex] thus reads

[tex]\vec{F}=q \left (\vec{E}+\frac{\vec{v}}{c} \times \vec{B} \right ).[/tex]

Finally the (microscopic) Maxwell equations read

[tex]\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E} + \frac{1}{c} \partial_t \vec{E}=0,[/tex]
[tex]\nabla \cdot \vec{B}=0[/tex]
[tex]\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B}-\frac{1}{c} \partial_t \vec{E}=\frac{1}{c} \vec{j}[/tex]
[tex]\nabla \cdot \vec{E}=\rho[/tex]

This shows that the Heaviside-Lorentz units combine the merits of the SI (being "rational", i.e. there are no irrational factors of [tex]4 \pi[/tex] in the basic equations, but in the Coulomb law where it belongs due to the spherical symmetry of a point charge) and Gaussian units (reflecting the physical structure of electromagnetism better than the SI; the six components of the electromagnetic field, [tex](\vec{E},\vec{B})[/tex] have all the same units, and there are no artificial constants like [tex]\epsilon_0[/tex] and [tex]\mu_0[/tex] in vacuo).
 
Hey, thanks for that response. It's very helpful. I'm still having trouble understanding how the units work out though. Even though the Heaviside-Lorentz units are different to SI, they must still make sense from a physical perspective. Speed must have units of distance over time; Potential must have units of energy per unit charge; Magnetic flux must have units of field-area, etc. My point being that, as I mentioned earlier, when I work out the units of the expression given in Aharonov and Bohm, the phase difference ends up being in units of time over distance instead of being unit-less.

The only thing I can think that I'm missing is that hbar is no longer in units of energy-time, or something like that. But considering the constants and variables still have the same physical meanings, I don't see how something like that can change.
 
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Units for magnetism
In Gaussian units, unlike SI units, the electric field E and the magnetic field B have the same dimension. This amounts to a factor of c difference between how B is defined in the two unit systems, on top of the other differences.[5] (The same factor applies to other magnetic quantities such as H and M.) For example, in a planar light wave in vacuum, |E(r,t)|=|B(r,t)| in Gaussian units, while |E(r,t)|=c|B(r,t)| in SI units.
I think that answers my question. It still trips me out that the quantities can be defined so differently in different unit systems.
 

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