Algebra/differentiation/trig expansions/ small approximation

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The problem involves a partial differential equation related to gravitational physics, specifically in the context of general relativity. The original poster seeks to find a small approximation for a variable, denoted as ε, under the assumption that a certain expression equals zero at a specific point.

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  • Participants discuss the use of trigonometric identities and small angle approximations, questioning the original poster's approach to simplifying the sine and cosine terms. There are suggestions to reconsider the application of these approximations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and assumptions. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the manipulation of terms, while others have suggested alternative methods of approaching the problem. There is no clear consensus on the correct path forward, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the original problem statement and the appropriateness of the approximations used. Participants have noted issues with parentheses in the equations presented, which may affect clarity. The context of the problem relates to comparing solutions in general relativity with those in Newtonian mechanics, which adds complexity to the discussion.

  • #31
binbagsss said:
In fact, the book does a similar exercise a few pages on (for timelike geodesics instead of null) and so the equations differ very slightly.
Is this problem considering a null geodesic? I figured it would be a timelike geodesic since you're comparing it to a Newtonian orbit.

I take it M=mass, J=angular momentum, e=eccentricity, and u=1/r. Is that right?

For what it's worth, I don't see how you're supposed to get the expected result without some other assumption that allows you to neglect more terms.
 
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  • #32
vela said:
Is this problem considering a null geodesic? I figured it would be a timelike geodesic since you're comparing it to a Newtonian orbit.

I take it M=mass, J=angular momentum, e=eccentricity, and u=1/r. Is that right?

For what it's worth, I don't see how you're supposed to get the expected result without some other assumption that allows you to neglect more terms.

Apologies yes it's time-like, I said this the wrong way around.
Yes, with ##e## as given by #27.

In justifying neglecting the ##u^{3}## the book gives an idea of figures for the case of the Earth orbitting the Sun, these are:
##2Mu## ~ ##10^{-8}##
##J^{2}u^{2}##~##10^{-8}##
##2MJ^{2}u^{3}##~##10^{-16}##
 

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