Algebra: If P(x), degree n, shares n points with x^n, then it is x^n

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The discussion revolves around proving that if a polynomial P(x) of degree n shares n points with the polynomial x^n, then P(x) must equal x^n. Participants explore various approaches to this problem, referencing the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra and discussing polynomial properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants consider using the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra to analyze the polynomial P(x) - x^n, referred to as D(x), and question the implications of D(x) having n roots despite its degree being n-1.
  • Some suggest that the problem can be approached without relying on the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra, proposing to show that certain coefficients must equal zero based on a system of equations derived from the shared points.
  • There is a discussion about the properties of the Vandermonde matrix in relation to the coefficients of the polynomial and the implications for the uniqueness of the solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning the validity of different approaches. Some have provided alternative perspectives on proving the result, while others are still seeking clarification on their understanding of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may have constraints related to the assumptions of polynomial degree and the nature of the roots, as well as the implications of the Vandermonde matrix in the context of the equations being discussed.

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Homework Statement


Prove that if a Polynomial P(x) of degree n, shares n points with xn, then P(x)=xn.

(a more general proof would be almost the same but for two polynomials, but I think I've proved this if this is proved)

Homework Equations


(FTA) Fundamental Theorem of Algebra - Every P(x) of degree n has at most n roots.

The Attempt at a Solution


An idea was to make an analogy between the proof of FTA and this probem. To use for example the factorization: P(x)= ∏(x-ri) Which when proved valid, proves the FTA too. But I don't understand the proofs given online too well.

But also if we accept FTA, we could also possibly analyze P(x)-xn which shall be called D(x).
D(x) has degree (n-1) since xn-xn=0.
Also since P(x) and xn have n equal points, then D(x) has n zeroes.
But FTA says that the D(x) of degree (n-1) has at most n-1 zeroes. But it has n zeroes. Therefore it must equal 0 itself. P(x)-xn=0 ⇔ P(x)=xn

Is this correct? Is there any simpler way to prove or address this or the more general problem?
 
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Swimmingly! said:

Homework Statement


Prove that if a Polynomial P(x) of degree n, shares n points with xn, then P(x)=xn.

(a more general proof would be almost the same but for two polynomials, but I think I've proved this if this is proved)


Homework Equations


(FTA) Fundamental Theorem of Algebra - Every P(x) of degree n has at most n roots.

The Attempt at a Solution


An idea was to make an analogy between the proof of FTA and this probem. To use for example the factorization: P(x)= ∏(x-ri) Which when proved valid, proves the FTA too. But I don't understand the proofs given online too well.

But also if we accept FTA, we could also possibly analyze P(x)-xn which shall be called D(x).
D(x) has degree (n-1) since xn-xn=0.
Also since P(x) and xn have n equal points, then D(x) has n zeroes.
But FTA says that the D(x) of degree (n-1) has at most n-1 zeroes. But it has n zeroes. Therefore it must equal 0 itself. P(x)-xn=0 ⇔ P(x)=xn

Is this correct? Is there any simpler way to prove or address this or the more general problem?

Looking at D(x) is the right way to do it. BTW D(x) doesn't necessarily have degree (n-1). The largest degree it could have is n-1, but it might have less.
 
Swimmingly! said:

Homework Statement


Prove that if a Polynomial P(x) of degree n, shares n points with xn, then P(x)=xn.

(a more general proof would be almost the same but for two polynomials, but I think I've proved this if this is proved)


Homework Equations


(FTA) Fundamental Theorem of Algebra - Every P(x) of degree n has at most n roots.

The Attempt at a Solution


An idea was to make an analogy between the proof of FTA and this probem. To use for example the factorization: P(x)= ∏(x-ri) Which when proved valid, proves the FTA too. But I don't understand the proofs given online too well.

But also if we accept FTA, we could also possibly analyze P(x)-xn which shall be called D(x).
D(x) has degree (n-1) since xn-xn=0.
Also since P(x) and xn have n equal points, then D(x) has n zeroes.
But FTA says that the D(x) of degree (n-1) has at most n-1 zeroes. But it has n zeroes. Therefore it must equal 0 itself. P(x)-xn=0 ⇔ P(x)=xn

Is this correct? Is there any simpler way to prove or address this or the more general problem?

You can prove the result without knowing the FTA. If you have
x_i^n + a_{n-1} x_i^{n-1} + \cdots + a_0 = x_i^n, i = 1,2,\ldots,n\\<br /> \text{where } x_1 &lt; x_2 &lt; \cdots &lt; x_n.
you need to show that this gives you
a_{n-1} = a_{n-2} = \cdots = a_0 = 0.
Note that you have a set of n equations in the n unknowns aj, and the coefficient matrix is a Vandermonde matrix.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
You can prove the result without knowing the FTA. If you have
x_i^n + a_{n-1} x_i^{n-1} + \cdots + a_0 = x_i^n, i = 1,2,\ldots,n\\<br /> \text{where } x_1 &lt; x_2 &lt; \cdots &lt; x_n.
you need to show that this gives you
a_{n-1} = a_{n-2} = \cdots = a_0 = 0.
Note that you have a set of n equations in the n unknowns aj, and the coefficient matrix is a Vandermonde matrix. RGV

I've looked the Vandermonde matrix up, but I had never seen it before.
I've set a system which is equivalent to say P(aj)=ajn
If we subtract xn from both sides. We get p(aj)=0 , p of degree n-1
If we set all the equations we get a square matrix. Whose determinant can be taken.
If VC (Vandermonde times coefficients) is a matrix that represents the system of all equations p(aj)=0
Then we get VC=[0] ⇔ |VC|=0
V has no null lines and they're not linearly dependent.(actually one a could be zero)
=> |V|≠0, therefore C ought to be 0 since all it does is make a linear combination of the columns of V.
Or possibly another is to argue that either V is not invertible and |V|=0 which is false, or |V| is invertible and V-1VC=0⇔C=0

PS:I'm a bit tired today, sorry for the trouble with clearly formalizing my thoughts.
Thank you for the help so far.
 

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