(Algebra) Isometries on the complex plane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving isometries on the complex plane, specifically focusing on the relationship between complex numbers and their geometric interpretations as vectors in ℝ². Participants are trying to understand the conditions under which a complex number is orthogonal to another, particularly in the context of the given problem statement.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the problem statement, particularly regarding the definitions and the meaning of orthogonality in this context.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the concept of orthogonality between two complex numbers, suggesting that it does not make sense.
  • A third participant proposes that ζ represents a rotation and suggests a relationship between ζ, its conjugate, and the orthogonality condition, indicating that ζ rotates the conjugate -90°.
  • A later reply provides a mathematical interpretation of the problem, assuming specific forms for ζ and √ζ, and derives a condition for orthogonality in terms of trigonometric functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and disagreement regarding the interpretation of the problem and the concept of orthogonality applied to complex numbers. There is no consensus on how to approach the problem or the definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the problem statement, including the definitions of ζ and its square root, as well as the application of orthogonality to complex numbers. The discussion reflects a lack of clarity on how these concepts interrelate.

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So this is the problem as written and I'm totally lost. Any help or explanation would be greatly appreciated.

"Viewing ℂ=ℝ2 , we can identify the complex numbers z = a+bi and w=c+di with the vectors (a,b) and (c,d) in R2 , respectively. Then we can form their dot product, (a,b)\bullet(c,d)=ac+bd.
Prove that ζ\bar{c} + c = 0 iff c is orthogonal to \sqrt{ζ}."

I feel like there are too many things undefined - or maybe I just don't get what things are supposed to be. \bar{c} is supposed to be the conjugate of c, I know that much. And in another problem ζ was defined as cosθ + i sinθ, but I'm not sure how to use this information (or if it even applies to this problem). I know that c and ζ being orthogonal means they're both vectors and their dot product is zero. It's in the chapter on isometries of ℝ and ℂ.

I've been trying to figure this problem out for hours and am frustrated to the point of tears. Please help.
 
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c orthogonal to \sqrt{\xi}? That doesn't even make sense. Those two things are numbers, what does it even mean that they're orthogonal??
 
You can see my frustration then. I checked to make sure I copied the problem word for word. I'm so confused by it - it's making me crazy.

The only thing I can think is ζ is a rotation (as it had been used before). So it makes sense to me that ζ\bar{c} = -c, where ζ rotates the conjugate -90°. but the c orthogonal to √ζ is what's killing me.

I'm totally lost.
 
Assuming \zeta = \cos\theta + i \sin\theta and \sqrt \zeta = \cos\frac \theta 2 + i \sin\frac \theta 2, and writing c = a+ib, we see c is orthogonal to \zeta iff a \cos\frac \theta 2 + b\sin\frac \theta 2 = 0 iff \tan\frac\theta 2 = -\frac ab. Now use the usual formulas expressing \sin\theta and \cos\theta in terms of \tan\frac\theta 2 to see that \zeta \bar c + c = 0 iff \tan\frac\theta 2 = -\frac ab.
 

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