Algebra question -- Solving 2 simultaneous equations....

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The discussion revolves around solving two simultaneous equations related to arithmetic and geometric sequences. Participants explore the relationships between the variables a, b, and c, particularly focusing on finding the ratio of c to a. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equations a + 2c = 3b and (3b-2)^2 = 2a * (4c-2) and asks if the problem is solvable.
  • Another participant confirms that the equations can be manipulated to express a in terms of c, suggesting a = 2 (± sqrt(c-1) + c).
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the derived ratio c:a, with one stating that the expected answer is 5:2.
  • Another participant notes that they were able to reduce the equations to forms that do not yield a clear ratio of c to a.
  • One participant mentions finding two sets of solutions through brute force search, both yielding c/a = 5/2, but also identifies other sets that fit the progressions but yield different ratios.
  • There is a suggestion that some information may be missing from the original problem statement, which could affect the solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the solvability of the equations or the correct ratio of c to a, with multiple competing views and observations about the problem's completeness.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate that there may be missing information in the problem statement, particularly regarding the geometric sequences, which could influence the outcomes of their calculations.

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It is a bit of a long question about series, But what is important is this...

a+ 2c = 3b

(3b-2)^2 = 2a * (4c-2)

It is asking for the ratio c to a

It have tried a lot of ways. I always end up with this. (Note maybe I not noticing a mistake, Can just anyone confirm that this is solvable? )

a^2 - 4 a c + 4 = 8 c - 4 c^2
 
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Biker said:
It is a bit of a long question about series, But what is important is this...

a+ 2c = 3b

(3b-2)^2 = 2a * (4c-2)

It is asking for the ratio c to a

It have tried a lot of ways. I always end up with this. (Note maybe I not noticing a mistake, Can just anyone confirm that this is solvable? )

a^2 - 4 a c + 4 = 8 c - 4 c^2

You can solve this for a! I got the same expression as you. You can write it as a^2 - 4ac + 4c^2 = 8c - 4.
Now look at the a^2 - 4ac + 4c^2. You should notice something. Solve for a then and you can express c/a
 
Math_QED said:
You can solve this for a! I got the same expression as you. You can write it as a^2 - 4ac + 4c^2 = 8c - 4.
Now look at the a^2 - 4ac + 4c^2. You should notice something. Solve for a then and you can express c/a
a = 2 ( +or- sqrt( c-1) + c)

Which doesn't make sense in my view, Because the answer is 5 : 2 ( c to a). Did you get the value for c:a as a number or with variables?

Here is the original question:
2a, 3b , 4c is a Arithmetic progression
2a, 3b-2, 4c-2 is a geometric sequence

Find c : a
 
Biker said:
a = 2 ( +or- sqrt( c-1) + c)

Which doesn't make sense in my view, Because the answer is 5 : 2 ( c to a). Did you get the value for c:a as a number or with variables?

Here is the original question:
2a, 3b , 4c is a Arithmetic progression
2a, 3b-2, 4c-2 is a geometric sequence

Find c : a

It might have been useful to include the original question. I don't have time right now. I will look at it tomorrow.
 
This must involve some fancy maneuvers, if it is possible at all. I was able to reduce the single equation we get after eliminating ##b## to the forms:

##(a-2c)^2 = 8c-4##

or

##(2c-2)^2 = 4ac-a^2##

I don't see any way to get ##\frac{c}{a}## out of either of these.
 
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Here is the original question:
2a, 3b , 4c is a Arithmetic progression
2a, 3b-2, 4c-2 is a geometric sequence

Find c : a
I wonder if you have left some information out of the problem statement because I get two solutions by brute force search:

## [a,b,c] = [1/4,1/2,5/8] ##
## [a,b,c] = [1,2,5/2] ##

Both of these give ##c/a = 5/2## and both sets fit the given progressions. Additionally, these sets fit the progressions but yields the wrong ##c/a## ratio:

## [a,b,c] = [4,2,1] ##
## [a,b,c] = [16,14,13] ##

These observations lead me to think there is more to the story than was given here. Is there something missing?
 
mfig said:
I wonder if you have left some information out of the problem statement because I get two solutions by brute force search:

## [a,b,c] = [1/4,1/2,5/8] ##
## [a,b,c] = [1,2,5/2] ##

Both of these give ##c/a = 5/2## and both sets fit the given progressions. Additionally, these sets fit the progressions but yields the wrong ##c/a## ratio:

## [a,b,c] = [4,2,1] ##
## [a,b,c] = [16,14,13] ##

These observations lead me to think there is more to the story than was given here. Is there something missing?

Apparently, When the teacher gave me the question the he missed some variables in the geometric sequences. Sorry for inconvenience
 

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