Algebraic integers of a finite extension of Q has an integral basis

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The discussion revolves around the concept of integral bases in the context of finite extensions of the rational numbers Q. Participants explore how to extend known results from Galois extensions to any finite extension, focusing on the properties of algebraic integers and their representation as Z-modules.

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  • One participant asserts that they know the result holds for Galois extensions of Q and seeks to extend this to any finite extension K by finding a Galois extension L that contains K.
  • Another participant clarifies the definition of an integral basis, emphasizing the uniqueness of representation in terms of a finite set of elements.
  • A different participant questions the relevance of Galois extensions, suggesting that finitely generated algebras over Z imply finite modules, and notes the need for the integral elements to be finitely generated.
  • One participant references a textbook that provides a proof for Galois extensions having a finite basis and relates this to the exercise of proving that any finite extension of Q is a Z-module.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the necessity of Galois extensions in the argument or the completeness of the proof for finite extensions.

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There are mentions of specific mathematical concepts such as Z-modules, finitely generated algebras, and the trace and norm, but the discussion does not resolve the dependencies or assumptions related to these concepts.

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Readers interested in algebraic number theory, particularly those studying integral bases, finite extensions of Q, and the properties of Z-modules may find this discussion relevant.

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I already know that this is true for galois extensions of Q... how do you extend this result to any finite extension of Q?

I was thinking given a finite extension of Q, call it K... find a galois extension that includes the finite extension, call it L... then somehow use the fact that the ring of algebraic integers of L has an integral basis to show that the integers of K must have an integral basis.

By integral basis, I mean that there is a finite set of elements in the ring w1,w2,w3...wn such that an element in the ring can be written in the form a1w1+a2w2+a3w3+...anwn

where a1,a2,a3,...an belong to Z.

I'd appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
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learningphysics said:
By integral basis, I mean that there is a finite set of elements in the ring w1,w2,w3...wn such that an element in the ring can be written in the form a1w1+a2w2+a3w3+...anwn

where a1,a2,a3,...an belong to Z.
Written uniquely, you mean.
 
Hurkyl said:
Written uniquely, you mean.

yes, you're right. it must be unique.
 
this is not my forte, but doesn't finitely generated as an algebra plus integral imply finite as a module?

and a finite module over Z, is a direct sum of free ones and finite cyclic ones, but your module is torsion free hen ce free.

i do not see what galois has to do with it, unkless i am missing some hypotheses here.

i.e. take a finite field extension of Q, then take the elements which are integral over Z, i guess you need to know that is a finitely generated Z algebra to use my argument. is that the missing step?

dummitt and foote page 697 use your idea of embedding in a galois extension and taking traces to prove finite generation.
 
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Hi mathwonk. This is an exercise from "Elements of Abstract Algebra" by Allan Clark. Almost at the end of it. :)

He gives a proof that a Galois extension of Q has a finite basis where the coefficients can be taken over Z... so this is what a Z-module is correct? Module is analogous to a vector space, but taking coefficients from a ring?

Then as an exercise he asks to prove that any finite extension of Q is a Z-module (he doesn't use the term module though). That's the reason I'm trying to take this approach.

He hasn't introduced modules in the text. He's about to introduce trace and norm in the next part...
 

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