Alien spaceship wormhole gravitational waves detector

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the theoretical implications of wormholes and warp drives in relation to gravitational waves, particularly focusing on the potential for detecting such waves using LIGO. The scope includes speculative physics, theoretical models, and the application of current gravitational wave detection technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if hypothetical aliens could create wormholes, the gravitational waves produced during the closing of such wormholes might be detectable by LIGO, particularly if the wormholes are less than 1 mile in diameter.
  • Others mention NASA's work on warp drives, suggesting that these drives would also generate gravitational waves as the spacecraft moves.
  • A participant emphasizes the need to solve Einstein's field equations for wormholes to determine if they emit gravitational radiation, highlighting the complexity of the calculations involved.
  • Another participant discusses the energy requirements for creating wormholes, suggesting that the energy needed may depend on the area of the entrance surface divided by the length of the wormhole, rather than solely on energy density.
  • One participant notes that the signature of gravitational waves from a closing wormhole would differ from typical gravitational waves, potentially exhibiting sharp corners rather than smooth waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of detecting gravitational waves from wormholes and warp drives, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the detection capabilities or the underlying physics involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of the discussion, dependence on theoretical models, and unresolved mathematical considerations regarding the energy and characteristics of gravitational waves from wormholes.

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Recently viewed video about wormholes that required negative energy to create it. Suppose hypothetical aliens have discovered this technology. Spaceship enters in first point and exit at second. To prevent spaceship destruction they might have technology to smooth gravitational waves on exit side, but first point hypothetically should have them. Can we use LIGO to detect gravitational waves left from closing wormhole less then 1 mile in diameter? ;))
 
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NASA working currently on wrap drive. When starship moves this drive also should create gravitational waves
 
You'd have to find a solution to Einstein's field equations describing your opening and closing wormhole, then derive whether it emits gravitational radiation (by no means something you can just blithely assume). Ditto the warp drive. Then you have to determine whether the amplitude and frequency of any emissions falls in the range LIGO could detect.

Good luck! You're going to need a pretty big computer.
 
Dinarchik said:
NASA working currently on wrap drive.
"Wrap 5 Mister Sulu."
 
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Dinarchik said:
Can we use LIGO to detect gravitational waves left from closing wormhole less then 1 mile in diameter?
It depends on the energy of the wormholes, @Dinarchik. I don't know about the current sensitivity, but in the early days of LIGO coalescing binary black hole systems with individual masses of 30  M⊙ could be detected out to 1.3 Gpc. I'd expect LIGO could detect your small wormholes if they were much closer in, but presumably there would be a burst of EM radiation that would be also easily detected.

How far away are you suggesting these alien spaceships would be popping in and out of warp?
 
In this article https://arxiv.org/pdf/0809.0907v1.pdf Author analyze energy density of wormhole equal density of string. Black holes don't have such density in event horizon - only if it minimal size black hole made entirely from strings. Maybe real black hole interior core going to have this minimal size.
I did analyze math and looks like it not depends on Energy at all, but on area of entrance surface divided by length of wormhole. Means the more length device have to create wormhole the less energy it requires. Confusing.
But signature of gravitational wave of closing wormhole cannot be misinterpreted: it like black hole momentarily appears on this place. If regular gravitational waves should be smooth waves this one going to have sharp corners.
 
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@Ibix: Did you move this post to Science Fiction and Fantasy?
No - only mentors can move threads. It's the right place for discussion of gravitational waves from alien drives, though, unless you can produce a better reference than one that doesn't even mention gravitational waves.
 

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