All homomorphisms from Z_n to Z_m

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The discussion revolves around identifying all group homomorphisms from the cyclic group \(\mathbb{Z}_n\) to \(\mathbb{Z}_m\). Participants explore the properties of homomorphisms and the implications of using different generators for the groups involved.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the number of homomorphisms, suggesting it relates to the greatest common divisor (gcd) of \(n\) and \(m\). There is a focus on how to express the homomorphism in terms of a generator, with some participants questioning the correctness of the proposed formulas and the implications of using different generators.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the formulation of the homomorphisms. There is a recognition of potential errors in the initial descriptions, and participants are collaboratively refining their understanding of the mapping conditions.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the completeness of their descriptions and the correctness of their formulas. The discussion includes considerations of how different choices of generators might affect the outcome.

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Homework Statement



Describe all group homomorphisms from \mathbb{Z}_n to \mathbb{Z}_m.

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\mathbb{Z}_n = {[0],[1],\dots ,[n-1]} with addition.

A homomorphism is an operation preserving map, ie \phi (a\ast b)=\phi (a) \# \phi (b).

One especially important homomorphism property is that \phi (a^k) = \phi (a)^k.

We can describe each homomorphism entirely by its action on any element that generate the group.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am pretty sure there are \text{gcd}(n,m) homomorphisms from \mathbb{Z}_n to \mathbb{Z}_m.

Based on some examples I worked out, I believe the solution is:

let [a] be any element which generates \mathbb{Z}_n

\phi ([a]) = \frac{n}{\text{gcd}(n,m)}\cdot k [a] where 0\le k < \text{gcd}(m,n)
 
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You are correct, but your "description" can use improvement and I believe it contains a mistake.

Let's simplify your generator a bit.
Instead of picking [a], it's easier to pick [1] as a generator.

Then candidates for the homomophisms are the ones defined by ϕ([1]).
The restriction is that ϕ(n[1]) = n ϕ([1]) = 0 mod m.
In other words m | n ϕ([1]).

Now let g = gcd(m,n), then there are numbers a and b such that ##m=ga, n=gb, \gcd(a,b)=1##.

Then:
$$ga\ |\ gbϕ([1]) \\
a\ |\ bϕ([1]) \\
a\ |\ ϕ([1])$$
Do you see why?

So you're left with the question which and how many values of ϕ([1]) meet with the condition that ##\frac m {\gcd(m,n)}## divides ϕ([1]).
 
I did have [1] in mind for [a], but it should work on any generator.

I'm not sure what you are getting at with your last statement.

You mentioned you thought there was a mistake, but you also said I was correct?
 
ArcanaNoir said:
I did have [1] in mind for [a], but it should work on any generator.

I'm not sure what you are getting at with your last statement.

You mentioned you thought there was a mistake, but you also said I was correct?

I believe the number of homomorphisms is indeed ##\gcd(m,n)##, but the formula you gave for ϕ([a]) is not entirely correct.
 
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So are you saying some of the maps specified by my formula are redundant, some are missing, or some are plain wrong?
 
Oh bollocks! I'm saying it should be:
$$\phi([1]) = \frac m {\gcd(m,n)} k[1]$$
with ##0 \le k < \gcd(m,n)##.

Can you still smile? :shy:
This should be fun.
 
I like Serena said:
Oh bollocks! I'm saying it should be:
$$\phi([1]) = \frac m {\gcd(m,n)} k[1]$$
with ##0 \le k < \gcd(m,n)##.

Can you still smile? :shy:
This should be fun.

Oops. Thanks :)
 
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ArcanaNoir said:
Oops. Thanks :)

I guess of the choices offered, it fits "plain wrong". :biggrin:
 

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