Allowable gap clearance for pipe supports

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the allowable gap clearance for pipe supports, specifically for a 30" diameter galvanized carbon steel pipe used for transporting water. Participants explore the implications of gap spacing in relation to structural integrity and stress analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the adequacy of the gap spacing and suggests that an engineer should have conducted a stress analysis to determine proper support and gap specifications.
  • Another participant speculates that if the support is not properly engaged with the base or the nuts, it may not function as a support, but rather as a hanging weight.
  • There is a suggestion that if the supports are intended to allow for thermal expansion, then leaving the gap may be acceptable, though this is not standard practice.
  • A recommendation is made to shim the gap and tighten the bolts to the required torque if the support is indeed meant to be functional.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of gap spacing, with some emphasizing the need for engineering analysis while others propose practical adjustments based on the observed conditions. No consensus is reached on the best approach to managing the gaps.

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Limitations include potential assumptions about prior engineering analysis and the specific conditions under which the pipe supports are installed. The discussion does not resolve the technical requirements for gap spacing or the adequacy of current practices.

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I have a 30" diameter pipe that is supported about every 5-6 ft using bolts in a steel pipe support. As you can see in the attached photo, there is a pretty good size gap between the bolt/nut and the top surface of the pipe support, and also between the two faces of the interface. My question is where can I find a good resource on allowable gap spacing between these types of pipe supports (these pipes are galvanized carbon steel and are for transporting water)? My gut tells me to place a shim between the bottom gap and leave the top gap open, but this is purely speculation without some decent documentation on the allowable spacing.

Thanks in advance.
 

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Hi steve. Supports every 5 to 6 feet for a 30" pipe seems far to close together. An engineer should have done an analysis on your piping stresses and provided all the information to support the pipe including any gaps to be provided in clamps or other pipe supports. You should have gotten drawings indicating how to support the pipe and where.

Typically, stress analysis is done using a software program similar to structural FEA programs and per ASME or piping code rules, depending on what country you live in. Loads on the pipe due to weight, contents and external loads such as ice or snow are only a small part of the analysis. Thermal contraction/expansion and the resulting stresses can be enormous and have to be taken into consideration when installing pipe this large. I wouldn't look for help on the internet for pipe support analysis, you'll need a piping stress engineer to come up with a proper design for the supports and provide you with engineering drawings.
 
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Let's assume that OP's company has done some form of analysis, or has decided to forgo analysis and opted to overdesign.

I'm not sure what's going on there in that picture, if the support is floating (not touching the support base nor pulling on the nuts) then it isn't a support, it's just a hanging weight.

If the purpose of some of these intermediate supports is for training (i.e. the support is allowed to move in one direction to allow for expansion) then just leave it. But this is not the standard, nor proper way to train a pipe.

If this is actually a support, shim it and tighten the bolts to their required torques.
 
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Thanks guys.
 

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