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The discussion revolves around the conservation of 4-momentum in the context of electron-photon interactions, specifically examining why a photon cannot be absorbed by an electron in the reaction e + γ → e. The subject area includes concepts from relativistic physics and conservation laws.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the application of conservation of momentum and energy in different reference frames. There is a discussion about the implications of assuming the electron is at rest and the resulting calculations regarding energy and momentum.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the problem by suggesting the use of different reference frames and questioning the assumptions made about energy conservation. There is recognition of the challenges posed by negative energy results in the calculations, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive resolution.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of relativistic energy and momentum, with specific attention to the implications of time-reversal in the context of photon emission and absorption. The discussion highlights the constraints of the problem as framed by the laws of physics.

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Homework Statement


Show, using spacetime diagrams and also using frame-independent calculations, that the law of conservation of 4-momentum forbids a photon to be absorbed by an electron, e + γ → e.

Homework Equations


##\textbf{p}_{e1}+\textbf{p}_{\gamma}=\textbf{p}_{e2}## : ##(E_1,\vec{p_1})+(E_{\gamma},E_{\gamma}\vec{n})=(E,\vec{p_2})##,
where ##\textbf{p}## is 4-vector, ##\vec{p}## is ordinary 3-vector and ##\vec{n}## is unit vector in photon's direction.
##E=\sqrt{p^2+m^2}##

The Attempt at a Solution


I take only 3-vecotrs and I (I hope I may) suppose ##\vec{p_1}=0## i.e. is in rest.
##\vec{0}+E_{\gamma}\vec{n}=p_2\vec{n}=>\sqrt{E^2-m^2}=E_{\gamma}##
First time I put there ##E=\frac{1}{2}mv^2## but I feel it is not good probably. Is my beginning right? What should I use or think about?
 
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You used conservation of momentum so far.
What about conservation of energy?

The problem is easier in the reference frame of the electron in the final state.
 
mfb said:
You used conservation of momentum so far.
What about conservation of energy?

The problem is easier in the reference frame of the electron in the final state.
Ok, ##(\gamma m, \vec{p}) + (E_{\gamma},E_{\gamma}\vec{n})=(m,\vec{0})##. Right? From energy part than we have ##E_{\gamma}=m(1-\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2}})<0##. And it is this problem, negative photon's energy?
 
Right.

Time-reversed, the process would be an electron at rest emitting a photon and gaining kinetic energy at the same time. Written like that, it should be clear that it cannot happen.
 
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mfb said:
Right.

Time-reversed, the process would be an electron at rest emitting a photon and gaining kinetic energy at the same time. Written like that, it should be clear that it cannot happen.
Thank you.
 

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