Alpha particle close to the nucleus

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the behavior of an alpha particle in proximity to a nucleus, specifically focusing on the calculation of its velocity and the resulting impact parameter. Participants are comparing their results with a textbook solution and exploring the implications of relativistic effects on their calculations.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the velocity of an alpha particle using kinetic energy and questions the discrepancy between their result and the textbook's answer. Some participants suggest verifying calculations and explicitly showing numerical values and units. Others discuss the relevance of relativistic effects and the relationship between kinetic energy and velocity.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some confirming the textbook's solution and others identifying potential errors in the original poster's calculations. There is a focus on clarifying the formula used and the significance of the kinetic energy in relation to the velocity.

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There is mention of the kinetic energy being nonrelativistic for the alpha particle, which has a much higher rest mass energy. The discussion also highlights the need for precise calculations and the importance of understanding the underlying physics principles.

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Homework Statement
What is the impact parameter of an alpha particle with kinetic energy 4 MeV that is deflected by the angle ##\theta = 15°## when scattered by a gold nucleus (Z =79)?
Relevant Equations
$$p = \frac{k}{mv_0^2}cot\frac{\theta}{2} $$ with $$k = \frac{2Ze^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}$$
Hello everyone, while studying I found this task in my textbook.
Solving this problem with the help of the formula seems quite straightforward. But I get a different result than the solution the textbook offers.
I get: Around ##5∗10^{−15}m## (which is a typical solution for a radius of a nucleus)
Textbook says: ##2.16∗10^{−13}m##The point where I think I probably could be mistaken, is the velocity ##v_0##. I calculated it with ##E= \frac{1}{2}m∗v^2## with ##E=4MeV##.
Is that wrong? I get ##v_0=1.44∗10^7\frac{m}{s}## (which I think is already relativistic, so I think there is my mistake?)
Can anyone verify the solution of the textbook?
I would be very grateful for any help, since I'm quite confused.
 
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A kinetic energy of 4 Mev is nonrelativistic for an alpha particle, which has a rest mass energy of about 3.7 Gev. For the speed of the alpha particle, I get 1.38 x 107 m/s, which is a little less than your value. This is about 5% the speed of light.

Your formula looks correct. I get the textbook's answer for the impact parameter. The only way we can identify your mistake is for you to show your calculation explicitly with all the numerical values and units for the various quantities.
 
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Juli said:
Can anyone verify the solution of the textbook?
Like @TSny, I get the same answer as the text book.

Your value for ##v_0 (1.44\times 10^7m/s)## is about 4% bigger than the correct value (a small but signficant difference). You might want to sort out why.

In fact there is no need to work out ##v_0##. In the formula ##p = \frac{k}{mv_0^2}cot\frac{\theta}{2}## note that ##mv_0^2## is simply twice the kinetic energy, i.e. ##mv_0^2 = 8MeV##.
 
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Thank you both so much.
Steve4Physics said:
Like @TSny, I get the same answer as the text book.

Your value for ##v_0 (1.44\times 10^7m/s)## is about 4% bigger than the correct value (a small but signficant difference). You might want to sort out why.

In fact there is no need to work out ##v_0##. In the formula ##p = \frac{k}{mv_0^2}cot\frac{\theta}{2}## note that ##mv_0^2## is simply twice the kinetic energy, i.e. ##mv_0^2 = 8MeV##.
Especially the point about ##mv^2## was very helpful. There was my mistake, I get the right solution now.
 
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