Alpha particle close to the nucleus

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The forum discussion centers on the calculation of the radius of an alpha particle close to the nucleus, specifically comparing the user's result of approximately 5×10−15 m with the textbook's value of 2.16×10−13 m. The user initially calculated the velocity (v0) using the kinetic energy formula E = 1/2 mv2 with E = 4 MeV, resulting in v0 = 1.44×107 m/s. However, this value was found to be about 4% higher than the correct value, which led to confusion. The discussion concluded that the correct approach involves recognizing that mv02 equals twice the kinetic energy, simplifying the calculation.

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Homework Statement
What is the impact parameter of an alpha particle with kinetic energy 4 MeV that is deflected by the angle ##\theta = 15°## when scattered by a gold nucleus (Z =79)?
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$$p = \frac{k}{mv_0^2}cot\frac{\theta}{2} $$ with $$k = \frac{2Ze^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}$$
Hello everyone, while studying I found this task in my textbook.
Solving this problem with the help of the formula seems quite straightforward. But I get a different result than the solution the textbook offers.
I get: Around ##5∗10^{−15}m## (which is a typical solution for a radius of a nucleus)
Textbook says: ##2.16∗10^{−13}m##The point where I think I probably could be mistaken, is the velocity ##v_0##. I calculated it with ##E= \frac{1}{2}m∗v^2## with ##E=4MeV##.
Is that wrong? I get ##v_0=1.44∗10^7\frac{m}{s}## (which I think is already relativistic, so I think there is my mistake?)
Can anyone verify the solution of the textbook?
I would be very grateful for any help, since I'm quite confused.
 
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A kinetic energy of 4 Mev is nonrelativistic for an alpha particle, which has a rest mass energy of about 3.7 Gev. For the speed of the alpha particle, I get 1.38 x 107 m/s, which is a little less than your value. This is about 5% the speed of light.

Your formula looks correct. I get the textbook's answer for the impact parameter. The only way we can identify your mistake is for you to show your calculation explicitly with all the numerical values and units for the various quantities.
 
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Juli said:
Can anyone verify the solution of the textbook?
Like @TSny, I get the same answer as the text book.

Your value for ##v_0 (1.44\times 10^7m/s)## is about 4% bigger than the correct value (a small but signficant difference). You might want to sort out why.

In fact there is no need to work out ##v_0##. In the formula ##p = \frac{k}{mv_0^2}cot\frac{\theta}{2}## note that ##mv_0^2## is simply twice the kinetic energy, i.e. ##mv_0^2 = 8MeV##.
 
Thank you both so much.
Steve4Physics said:
Like @TSny, I get the same answer as the text book.

Your value for ##v_0 (1.44\times 10^7m/s)## is about 4% bigger than the correct value (a small but signficant difference). You might want to sort out why.

In fact there is no need to work out ##v_0##. In the formula ##p = \frac{k}{mv_0^2}cot\frac{\theta}{2}## note that ##mv_0^2## is simply twice the kinetic energy, i.e. ##mv_0^2 = 8MeV##.
Especially the point about ##mv^2## was very helpful. There was my mistake, I get the right solution now.
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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