Alpha Particle Approaching a Gold Nucleus

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an alpha particle colliding with a gold nucleus, focusing on calculating the distance of closest approach using principles of conservation of momentum and energy, as well as Coulomb's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum and energy in the context of the problem, with some questioning the assumptions about the gold nucleus's motion and its role as a potential generator.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of considering both conservation laws, and there is acknowledgment of potential calculation errors in the attempts presented.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted assumption that the gold nucleus remains stationary, which is being debated. Participants are also referencing hints from an external source that suggest different approaches to the problem.

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Homework Statement


An alpha-particle with velocity 3.5 x 106 strikes a block of gold, atomic number 79 and mass number 197. Find the distance of the closest possible approach between the alpha particle and a gold nucelus, assuming Coulomb's law holds over such distances. Assume mp = mn = 1.67 x 10-27

Homework Equations


p = mv
KE = 1/2mv2
EPE = kq1q2/r2

The Attempt at a Solution



Considering conversation of momentum and conservation of energy I worked out p = mv = (4 x 1.67 x 10-27)(3.5 x 106) = 2.3 x 10-20.

The particle would repel the nucleus, at the closest approach they must have the same velocity. So p = mauv' + malpha v'
v' = p/mau + mualpha
v' = 2.3 x 10-20 / 201 x 1.67 x 10-27
v' = 6.4 x 104

So the change in KE in KEv minus KEv'.

At this point I believe I've gone wrong as I've calculated the change in KE to be negligible yet the online question pp I'm using tells me to consider conversation of momentum (here). As I understand the remainder of the question is simply equate change KE to change in EPE, rearrange to find r and plug in values.
 
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The gold nucleus is to be assumed as a field/potential generator and hold firm in its initial place. In this case, only conservation of energy is needed. Start from infinite distance where the alpha particle is moving with the given velocity in zero potential. Then the total energy in the closest distance will give you the answer.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
The gold nucleus is to be assumed as a field/potential generator and hold firm in its initial place.
I don't believe that's true in this instance. If you check the question and hints at the website you'll find that the use of conservation of momentum is recommended in addition to conservation of energy.

@FelaKuti , check your calculation for v'. Your method's okay but the numerical result looks off; maybe a finger problem on the calculator.
 
I see. I only read the first hint where no mention of momentum conservation is made. So yes the momentum conservation is needed and the gold nucleus is also moving.
 

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