Alternating current+Oscillation

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two metal bars connected by a spring and an alternating current source. The participants explore the relationship between the frequency of the current and the oscillation of the bars, questioning the forces at play and how they relate to the frequency of oscillation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the forces acting on the bars and how these forces relate to the alternating current. Questions arise about the connection between force and frequency, and the concept of resonance is introduced.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the relationship between the oscillation frequency and the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the forces and their dependence on the current, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the calculations or the connections between concepts.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the system, including the mass of the spring and the nature of the forces involved. There is uncertainty regarding the resonance frequency and how it applies to the oscillating system.

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Hi, It's my first poste here.


2 metal, thin, bars (length=l, mass=m) are hung on same height (distance between bars-d)
Lower end of bars are conected by metal spring (mass=0, k-spring constant, d-length)
Upper end of bars are connected with alternating current source (f-frequency).
For what f there will be strong, with ascending amplitude, oscillation. Root mean square is I.

I will be really gratefull for any seggestions.
 
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Where's the force? What is causing it? The best way for electricity to produce a force is by using electric currents in coils.
Bob S.
 
so You mean that there will be a force between each of roll ? First i thing that the main force will be come from the bars... You know...F~I^2/d * l...
Could You say something more ?

But still I don't know how to conect a force and frequency...
maybe f will be conected with period of oscillation of compound pendulum ??
 
Bob, I will be grateful if You could say something more...

My main problem is How the force is conected with frequency.
 
The magnetic force between the two bars is dependent on the magnitudes of the currents flowing in the two bars, that's a fact that you er..somewhat established up there right? Take note, at this point, that the current is alternating - periodically varying over time with a certain frequency f. Thus, the force between the two bars also changes with time in manner related to the frequency f of the source.
 
Ok. I know why the bars are oscillating, but my main problem is how. The frequency of force is 2xf, isn't it ? and now... there is problem with resonance... I must calculate a resonance frequency of coils or bars ?
The mas of cails =0 so i suppose that a normal mode of an oscillating -->0.
 

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