Slide generator/hookes law problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a spring-mass system oscillating in a magnetic field, specifically applying Hooke's Law and electromagnetic induction principles to determine the induced current as a function of time. The original poster outlines the parameters of the system, including spring constant, mass, and initial displacement, and seeks to derive the function for induced current.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between acceleration, displacement, and time, questioning the assumption of constant acceleration in an oscillating system. They discuss the need to express displacement as a function of time and the implications of oscillatory motion on the form of the equations involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying concepts related to simple harmonic motion and the mathematical relationships involved. Some have made progress in formulating the position function and are considering initial conditions, while others are questioning the ability to determine certain parameters, such as angular frequency, with the given information.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made regarding the motion of the system and the implications for deriving the velocity function. Participants express uncertainty about the amplitude and the determination of angular frequency based on the provided parameters.

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Homework Statement


A stiff spring with a spring constant of 1200 N/m is connected to a bar on the slide generator as show in figure P32.40 Assume the bar has length l = 60 x10^-2 m and mass .75 kg, and it slides without friction. The bar connects to a U shaped wire to form a loop that has width w = 40 x 10^-2 m and total resistance 25 ohms and that sits in uniform magnetic field B = .35 T. The bar is initially pulled 5x10^-2 m to the left and released so that it begins to oscillate. What is the induced current in the loop as a function of time I(t)? (Ignore any effects due to the magnetic force on the oscillating bar)

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ε = Blv, I = ε/R

so I(t) = ( (BL) / R ) * v(t)

I(t) = .0084 * v(t)

I'm having a hard time finding the function of v(t)

I know from hookes law -kx = ma

-kx /m = a

-80 = a

-80 = d^2 x /dt

But where do I go from here? Sorry I am lost. Wasn't even sure to put this in the math forum or here..

So I know the acceleration is equal to a constant number, how do I make that in terms of time? Any help would be great..
 
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Why do you think the acceleration is constant? The system is oscillating, which means x is changing, but k and m are both constants. Using Hooke's Law, what does that tell you about a?
 
RedDelicious said:
Why do you think the acceleration is constant? The system is oscillating, which means x is changing, but k and m are both constants. Using Hooke's Law, what does that tell you about a?

I see. so from

-kx /m = a

on the left side, although -k and m are constants, I was wrong to just plug in 5x10^-2 m for x because although that's what it starts as, x is actually a function of time..

so my expression for a should look like: -1600x(t) = a(t)

and x HAS to be a sin or cos function because its oscillating correct?

But I'm still confused on how to proceed. I need v(t), which means taking the integral of -1600x(t)

I'm still having trouble constructing a function for x(t) though.. I know its a sin function but I'm a bit confused. would -1600 be the amplitude of it?
 
Rijad Hadzic said:
I see. so from

-kx /m = a

on the left side, although -k and m are constants, I was wrong to just plug in 5x10^-2 m for x because although that's what it starts as, x is actually a function of time..

so my expression for a should look like: -1600x(t) = a(t)

and x HAS to be a sin or cos function because its oscillating correct?

But I'm still confused on how to proceed. I need v(t), which means taking the integral of -1600x(t)

I'm still having trouble constructing a function for x(t) though.. I know its a sin function but I'm a bit confused. would -1600 be the amplitude of it?

Much better. Yes it will be a function of sine or cosine, depending on the initial conditions. No -1600, will not be the amplitude. You can immediately rule that out because it doesn't have units of distance.

The general solution is x(t) = A\cos{\omega t} + B\sin{\omega t} where the amplitude is given by \sqrt{A^2+B^2} and \omega = \sqrt{k/m}

You can simplify that a bit by using the initial conditions. x(0) = x_0 and x'(0)=v(0) = 0
 
Thanks for the reply. So far I've reached:

The position function as time in simple harmonic motion =

x(t) = 5x10^(-2) cos (ωt + φ)

5x10^-2 has to be the amplitude since that's how much it is pulled back from rest position

I also got φ = -pi because cosinverse(inital position / max position)

now I am having trouble finding ω. I don't think from the given info in the problem that I can find it actually... am I correct here?

Either way, taking the derivative, I get velocity..

-5x10^-2 ω sin(ωt + φ)

-5x10^-2 ω sin(ωt + -pi)

but -1600x(t) = a(t) so I have to multiply my velocity function by that constant right?

= 80ωsin(ωt - pi) = v(t)

because I(t) = .0084 v(t)

I(t) = 80ωsin(ωt - pi) * .0084

is my answer correct now? Also can you please tell me if what I stated (can't find ω with given info) is true??

Thanks for the help.
 

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