Alternating Series, Testing for Convergence

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The discussion revolves around the criteria for testing the convergence of alternating series, specifically focusing on the alternating series test and its application to a series involving the sine function. Participants explore the conditions under which the test applies, particularly when the sequence does not appear to be monotonically decreasing or positive for all terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the requirement that the sequence \( b_n \) must be greater than \( b_{n+1} \) for all \( n \), citing examples where this is not the case, such as \( \sum (-1)^n \sin(6\pi/n) \).
  • Another participant references Paul's notes, suggesting that the sequence only needs to be eventually decreasing, which aligns with their interpretation of the convergence criteria.
  • It is proposed that if the sequence is not decreasing for the first few terms but eventually decreases, the series can still converge, as the initial terms do not affect convergence.
  • One participant emphasizes that the behavior of the first \( N \) terms does not impact the convergence of the series, provided the remaining terms satisfy the conditions of the alternating series test.
  • Another participant discusses the continuity of the sine function and its implications for the limit of the sequence as \( n \) approaches infinity, reinforcing the argument for convergence under certain conditions.
  • Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

    Participants express differing interpretations of the convergence criteria, particularly regarding the requirement for the sequence to be decreasing for all \( n \) versus only eventually decreasing. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the textbook criteria, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these conditions.

    Contextual Notes

    Participants note that the initial terms of the series do not affect convergence, but they do influence the value to which the series converges if it does converge. There is also mention of the continuity of the sine function and its behavior in the relevant domain, which may affect the analysis of convergence.

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The criteria for testing for convergence with the alternating series test, according to my book, is:
Σ(-1)n-1bn
With bn>0, bn+1 ≤ bn for all n, and lim n→∞bn = 0.

My question is about the criteria. I'm running into several homework problem where bn is not always greater than bn+1, such as the following: Σ(-1)n sin(6π/n). This sequence is also not always greater than zero either (n=4 and n=5 make this negative), nor is it (-1)n-1 like the criteria says, but the series converges anyways.

From n=6 to n=12, it appears that bn < bn+1. But my criteria says bn+1 ≤ bn for all n.
Should this read as n→∞ instead of for all n?

Am I missing something? What's with these apparent inconsistencies?
 
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That's odd. My textbook also says for all ##n##, however I checked Paul's notes online and he specifically points out that it only needs to be eventually decreasing, and your sequence does eventually strictly decrease.

I would go with Paul's notes. After all, suppose that the sequence ##a_n## is not decreasing for ##1, 2, ... N## but that it is decreasing for all ##n > N## (and further suppose that ##\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = 0##). Then certainly we could simply write the sum as $$\sum _{n=1} ^\infty (-1)^n a_n = \sum_{n=1} ^N (-1)^n a_n + \sum_{n = N+1} ^\infty (-1)^n a_n$$ Then certainly the first term is finite, and the second term converges by the alternating series test.

Of course, you'd have to show that your sequence is in fact strictly decreasing after some ##N##, but intuitively that's certainly the case for ##\sin(x)## as ##x \to 0##. In this case, I'd say your function is strictly decreasing for ##n \geq 12##. I'd love to hear someone else's opinion, though.

It's quite possible that the textbook intends to say this: get the series in a form such that it is always decreasing, even if you have to split it up into some finite sum and an infinite sum.
 
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If you can show ##\sum_{n=13}^\infty (-1)^n b_n## converges, then trivially ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty (-1)^n b_n## also converges because all you are doing is adding a finite number of terms. Also ##(-1)^{n} = - (-1)^{n-1} ## so it's the same thing.
 
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axmls said:
My textbook also says for all n, however I checked Paul's notes online and he specifically points out that it only needs to be eventually decreasing, and your sequence does eventually strictly decrease.

That's what I figured. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

axmls said:
It's quite possible that the textbook intends to say this: get the series in a form such that it is always decreasing, even if you have to split it up into some finite sum and an infinite sum.

It's possible. I'll read it over again and see if I missed something.

pwsnafu said:
If you can show ##\sum_{n=13}^\infty (-1)^n b_n## converges, then trivially ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty (-1)^n b_n## also converges because all you are doing is adding a finite number of terms. Also ##(-1)^{n} = - (-1)^{n-1} ## so it's the same thing.

Okay. That was my train of thought, but I didn't know if there was some crucial difference I was missing. Thanks.
 
The behavior of the first ##N## terms (where ##N## is any fixed finite number) has no effect on whether the series converges or diverges. (Of course, those terms do affect the value to which the series converges, if it converges.) Observe that ##\sin## is nonnegative and monotonically increasing on ##[0,\pi/2]##. For ##n \geq 12##, we have ##6\pi/n \in [0,\pi/2]##. This means that we are in the domain where ##\sin## is monotonically increasing, so ##6\pi/(n+1) < 6\pi/n## implies ##0 < \sin(6\pi/(n+1)) < \sin(6\pi/n)## for ##n \geq 12##. Also,
$$\lim_{n \to \infty}\sin(6\pi/n) = \sin\left(\lim_{n \to \infty} 6\pi/n\right) = \sin(0) = 0$$
where we can bring the limit inside ##\sin## because ##\sin## is continuous.

This means that for ##n \geq 12##, the series is alternating and so the alternating series test applies.

Putting it slightly more formally:

$$\begin{aligned}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^n \sin(6\pi/n) &= \sum_{n=1}^{11}(-1)^n \sin(6\pi/n) + \sum_{n=12}^{\infty}(-1)^n\sin(6\pi/n) \\
&= \sum_{n=1}^{11}(-1)^n \sin(6\pi/n) - \sum_{m=1}^{\infty}(-1)^{m}\sin(6\pi/(m+11)) \\
\end{aligned}$$
In the last expression, the first sum is taken over finitely many terms, so of course it converges. The second sum is an alternating series which converges as discussed above.
 
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