Alternative Proof to show any integer multiplied with 0 is 0

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The discussion revolves around alternative proofs for the statement that any integer multiplied by zero equals zero. Participants explore the validity and simplicity of a proposed proof compared to a proof presented in Spivak's book, focusing on the foundational properties of integers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a proof using the property that for all integers ##a##, ##a + 0 = a##, leading to the conclusion that ##a \cdot 0 = 0##.
  • Another participant argues that the proposed proof is essentially the same as Spivak's proof and questions the simplification claimed by the first participant.
  • A later reply expresses concern that the proof might be fallacious due to not demonstrating the closure of integers under multiplication, suggesting that Spivak's proof is more appropriate.
  • Another participant counters that closure is not necessary for the argument being made.

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Participants express differing views on the validity and simplicity of the proposed proof compared to Spivak's. There is no consensus on whether the alternative proof is indeed simpler or if it adequately addresses the closure property.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of closure under multiplication for integers, but there is disagreement on whether this is necessary for the proof being discussed.

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In his book, Spivak did the proof by using the distributive property of integer. I am wondering if this, I think, simpler proof will also work. I want to show that ##a \cdot 0 = 0## for all ##a## using only the very basic property (no negative multiplication yet).

For all ##a \in \mathbb{Z}##, ##a+0=a##.

We just multiply ##a## again to get ##a^2+(a \cdot 0) = a^2##. Then it follows ##a \cdot 0 = 0##. (I remove ##a^2## by adding the additive inverse of it on both side)
 
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That is essentially the same proof as the one given in Spivak. I have no idea what simplification you think it affords.
 
jgens said:
That is essentially the same proof as the one given in Spivak. I have no idea what simplification you think it affords.

I'm glad then that it's the same. Because I thought it's fallacious because I haven't showed if the integers are closed with multiplication, and Spivak's proof is the more appropriate one.
 
Seydlitz said:
Because I thought it's fallacious because I haven't showed if the integers are closed with multiplication, and Spivak's proof is the more appropriate one.

Closure is not necessary in this argument.
 
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