Altitude - Why is it a Scalar?

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The discussion revolves around the classification of altitude as a scalar quantity in physics. Participants are examining the characteristics of scalars and vectors, particularly in the context of altitude measurement.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of scalars and vectors, questioning whether altitude, which has a magnitude and a perceived direction, fits the scalar classification. There are discussions about how negative altitudes are interpreted and whether this affects the scalar designation.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various perspectives being shared. Some participants challenge the strict definitions of scalars and vectors, suggesting that altitude might be more complex than a simple scalar. There is no explicit consensus, but productive questioning is evident.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of scalars and vectors, with some suggesting that the conventional understanding may not fully encompass the nuances of altitude measurement. The implications of negative values in altitude are also under consideration.

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Homework Statement


How come altitude of a mountain is a scalar?

Homework Equations


Scalars = only magnitude
Vectors = have magnitude & direction

The Attempt at a Solution


- Doesn't altitude of a mountain have both magnitude and direction (direction being measured straight up 90 degrees to the ground?
 
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Altitude is a single number that gives the height above sea level. It cannot, for example, point to the north-west.
 
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Consider how a negative altitude would be handled. Is that the same as a magnitude and direction? Some people would treat it that way and other people would not.
 
ELLE_AW said:
Scalars = only magnitude
That's the one I would challenge.
It is reasonable to define magnitude (of anything to which the term is fairly applied) to be non-negative, but it is not ok to say a scalar cannot be negative.
Though there is an obvious mapping between a field and a one-dimensional vector space over the field, that does not make them the "same". A field has a defined product operator, ##\times:\mathcal{F\times F\rightarrow F}##, whereas the vectors of a vector space do not in general have a product operator ##\times:\mathcal{V\times V\rightarrow V}##.
Thus, to be able to multiply signed numbers it is necessary to allow that they be neither vectors nor mere magnitudes.

In the specific case of altitudes, multiplying them does not make much sense. So perhaps it is more logical to regard altitude as a one dimensional vector.
 

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