Aluminum Alloy Fatigue Information

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the search for fatigue data specific to aluminum alloys, particularly A356-T6. Participants are exploring various sources for stress versus cycles data, referencing handbooks, online articles, and databases, while expressing challenges in finding comprehensive information.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes difficulty in finding reliable fatigue data for aluminum alloys, specifically A356-T6, in standard references.
  • Another suggests that while data is available, it often requires payment, mentioning the SAE fatigue design handbook as a potential resource.
  • A participant shares a link to a ScienceDirect article that may contain relevant data.
  • One contributor mentions MatWeb as a source for fatigue data, particularly for cast aluminum, and references ASTM specifications for sand and permanent mold casting.
  • There is a discussion about the lack of a typical fatigue limit for aluminum compared to steel, highlighting that the stress cycles required for failure decrease with increasing cycles.
  • A participant expresses a desire for more comprehensive data, such as Ultimate Fatigue Strength, to apply Marin endurance modifying factors.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of considering factors like stress concentrations and surface finish in fatigue calculations, rather than solely relying on material limits.
  • One participant mentions accessing experimental data through an academic account, indicating progress in their research.
  • A final contribution points to online FD&E data, including A356 files, suggesting potential future updates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the difficulty of finding comprehensive fatigue data for aluminum alloys, but multiple competing views and sources remain, with no consensus on the best reference or method for obtaining the desired information.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential inaccessibility of certain data due to paywalls, the variability in data quality across different sources, and the dependence on specific definitions and conditions for fatigue analysis.

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Hey guys, I'm working on a project and am looking for some fatigue data for aluminum alloys, A356-T6 in particular. I've looked through the MIL-5 and Aerospace (Cindas) handbooks and haven't found any decent information.

The textbook I have "Mechanical Engineering Design" by Shigley and Mischke only lists data for steel and other steel alloys. Does anyone have any decent references for stress vs cycles or anything decent?

Thanks,
 
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The data is available out there, it's just a matter of whether you're willing to pay for it or not. SAE has a fatigue design handbook that might have some data in it. Otherwise, a quick search on Google turned up this ScienceDirect.com journal article:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6W7V-42DRCFD-8&_user=7150423&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=7150423&md5=0b0a18db6a2b5b8f86b8bb101b0a3dc6
 
Hi Minger. Good fatigue data on aluminum is hard to come by, especially charts showing test results.

MatWeb has some data depending on whether it's a http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=595aeac7a5af4446bf4d912226644759" cast. Note the ASTM specs for these are B26 (sand) and B108 (perm mold).

I've designed a number of sand cast parts are highly stressed and under cyclic conditions and the only data I've been able to find is the matweb stuff which I've had to depend on. Seems to be ok, though I've always put lots of extra margin in.
 
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Well, the only thing I could find off of there was the Fatigue Strength for 5e8 cycles, which can be useful, but I really wish there was some more data, an Ultimate Fatigue Strength would be nice; as then I could apply my own Marin endurance modifying factors.

Either way I appreciate the help, I guess I'll go through the library and see if there's any good fatigue books.

Thanks again,
 
minger said:
Well, the only thing I could find off of there was the Fatigue Strength for 5e8 cycles, which can be useful, but I really wish there was some more data, an Ultimate Fatigue Strength would be nice; as then I could apply my own Marin endurance modifying factors.
The problem with aluminum is it doesn't have a typical 'fatigue limit'. The more stress cycles that are imposed on aluminum, the lower the stress cycles need to be to eventually result in failure. This is different than steel which has some distinct endurance limit.

If you were to plot peak alternating bending stress (y axis) against a log scale of life cycle (x axis) you'd find a knee in the curve at around 10^7 cycles. So that by 10^8 cycles, the graph is almost flat. It isn't flat though, it continues to decline, meaning that as you continue to impose more cycles on your test specimen, the peak alternating bending stress needed to result in failure continues to drop.

The most important things to understand about fatigue calculations isn't the specific limit of the material anyway. With the data MatWeb gives, one can be pretty sure where your stresses need to be to create a safe design. The more important issues are always things like stress concentrations, surface finish and absolute magnitude of loads and in what direction. These are the factors that I've found are typically not properly accounted for. In addition, realizing how far off some of these factors can be, in addition to how far off your real life loading conditions may be, the best thing to do is to be conservative in your design and ensure the safety factors you select reflect this lack of accuracy.
 
Awesome, well I appreciate the help. Turns out my still-active ohiolink.edu account let's me pull some of that experimental data up.

I should be good to go now for what I need. Thanks again!
 

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