Amateur mathematicians versus professional mathematicians

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparison between amateur and professional mathematicians, particularly focusing on the motivations for pursuing mathematics versus more lucrative careers such as medicine. Participants explore the potential for original contributions to mathematics and the necessity of formal education in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that pursuing a degree in a more lucrative field like medicine may be more beneficial than focusing solely on mathematics, citing historical figures like Fermat as examples of successful amateur mathematicians.
  • Others argue that contributing original ideas in mathematics typically requires at least a master's degree, emphasizing the importance of formal education and years of study.
  • There is a viewpoint that while a degree may not guarantee original contributions, it is often necessary for developing the foundational knowledge required to do so.
  • Some participants challenge the notion that mathematics is purely theoretical, pointing out that applied mathematicians can be involved in experimental design and data analysis.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumption that anyone can study mathematics independently, with some emphasizing the importance of institutional support in mastering complex material.
  • There is a suggestion that pursuing interests in both medicine and mathematics is possible, with references to fields like mathematical biology as a potential compromise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the necessity of formal education for contributing to mathematics, the financial prospects of mathematicians versus other professions, and the nature of mathematics itself. No consensus is reached on these issues, indicating ongoing disagreement.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the definitions of success in mathematics, the nature of contributions, and the financial implications of different career paths. The discussion reflects a diversity of perspectives on the relationship between education, personal interest, and professional success.

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Is it better for some one interested in mathematics to be an amateur mathematician and pursue a degree that can help him earning more money like medicine . Mathematicians do not earn much money . right ? Fermat for example was a lawyer and an amateur mathematician , yet he contributed a lot to the field.
 
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If you want to contribute original ideas, you pretty much have to get at least a masters.
 
G037H3 said:
If you want to contribute original ideas, you pretty much have to get at least a masters.
If he wants to deal with math as a hobby he doesn't need even a Bsc.
Having any degree doesn't guarantee you'll contribute original ideas, but having original ideas might entail having a degree.
 
G037H3 said:
If you want to contribute original ideas, you pretty much have to get at least a masters.

Math is purely theoretical , there are no experiments in it . If some one is smart enough and really interested in mathematics , he can study it on his own and seek a degree that enables him to earn much money .For example , Docs earn much more than most mathematicans at least in my country . I'm interested in both medicine and math , so I was thinking I can be a doctor and yet take math as a hobby
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
If he wants to deal with math as a hobby he doesn't need even a Bsc.
Having any degree doesn't guarantee you'll contribute original ideas, but having original ideas might entail having a degree.

You are right .few of math majors contribute to original ideas yet they are all interested in math
 
scottbekerham said:
If some one is smart enough and really interested in mathematics , he can study it on his own and seek a degree that enables him to earn much money

Well, 'if someone is smart enough' is quite a qualifier - and it isn't just about smarts, it's about commitment and motivation too. The point is that for almost everyone, if you want to contribute an original idea, you will need to spend years understanding the pretext (which is part of the plan from an undergraduate degree).
 
scottbekerham said:
Mathematicians do not earn much money . right ?

No, not necessarily correct - you're being too general. Do you mean academic mathematicians? What do you consider 'much money' to be?

An undergraduate degree in mathematics would allow you to study mathematics to a good level, and then if all you were concerned about was money, you can head over into finance or something like that. Mathematics gives you hundreds of options for careers. Become an actuary or an analyst; you'll still be using maths and you can make a lot of money.

scottbekerham said:
Fermat for example was a lawyer and an amateur mathematician , yet he contributed a lot to the field.

This isn't a good example to use. "So I'll just be like Fermat" is easier said than done.
 
scottbekerham said:
Math is purely theoretical , there are no experiments in it

This also is completely incorrect. Applied mathematicians might not be involved in actually carrying experiments out, but they can certainly be involved in the process of design and are heavily involved with the data that comes out of it. Consider someone that models traffic data. They might develop a model, notice something key is missing from the data then feed that back to the experimental design.


scottbekerham said:
If some one is smart enough and really interested in mathematics , he can study it on his own

Again, that isn't true for everyone. I know I wouldn't have managed through all of the material I covered at undergraduate without the support of my institution (and especially not in the same amount of time).

scottbekerham said:
I'm interested in both medicine and math , so I was thinking I can be a doctor and yet take math as a hobby

You could look at mathematical biology. Sure, you won't make as much money as you would if you became a medical doctor, but it depends where your priorities lie.
 

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