Amazing Photo of M51-Whirlpool Galaxy

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The discussion revolves around astrophotography, specifically focusing on the Whirlpool Galaxy (Messier 51). Participants share their experiences, techniques, and equipment used for capturing images of deep-sky objects, as well as challenges faced due to weather and equipment limitations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their best image of the Whirlpool Galaxy, prompting others to inquire about the equipment and settings used.
  • Several participants express admiration for the image quality and discuss the telescopes and cameras used, including an Astrotech 8" Ritchey-Chrétien and SBIG ST2000XM.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of imaging, such as light pollution, weather conditions, and the difficulties of stacking images to maintain color saturation.
  • One participant mentions using short exposure times due to a lack of a tracking mount, while others discuss their own experiences with tracking mounts and the impact on image quality.
  • There are varying techniques shared for processing images, including the use of different exposure times and the effects of stacking on color saturation.
  • Participants share their own astrophotography attempts, including exposure times and equipment used, and express hopes for capturing additional celestial objects.
  • Discussion includes technical details about image processing, dynamic range, and the impact of different camera settings on final image quality.
  • One participant mentions capturing meteors in their frames, which are lost during the stacking process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share a mutual interest in astrophotography and exchange techniques, but there are differing opinions on the effectiveness of certain equipment and methods, particularly regarding tracking mounts and exposure settings. The discussion remains unresolved on some technical aspects, such as the best practices for stacking images and maintaining color saturation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their equipment, such as inadequate tracking mounts, which affects their imaging capabilities. There are also mentions of varying atmospheric conditions impacting the quality of images captured.

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Astronomy enthusiasts, amateur astrophotographers, and those interested in deep-sky imaging techniques may find this discussion valuable.

  • #31
Topher what program do you use to process your images?
 
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  • #32
Topher925 said:
Looks good Andy. You sure are putting a lot of work into these shots. What level skies are you shooting in?

Urban skies. High humidity, seeing generally ranges from bad to poor.

Nice work on M51!
 
  • #33
Drakkith said:
Topher what program do you use to process your images?

Other than DSS, I only use GIMP. Although I do all my noise reduction using the utility that came with my camera before stacking.
 
  • #34
I re-stacked all my M51 images now that I know more as a result of all this discussion- here's the 'whole' image (about the central half of the full frame), a total acquisition time of 1 hour at f/2.8 ISO 1600, no noise reduction etc:

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6002/maxm51totalsmall.png

and a 1:1 crop of M51:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3142/justm51crop.png

And then with noise reduction:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2697/justm51cropfiltered.jpg

One 'constraint' I used while doing the final stacking was to keep the doublet located between '10 o'clock' and '11 o'clock' on the full image (bottom edge, far right on Topher925's full image) distinct- that helped prevent clipping on the high end.
 
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  • #35
Given your constraints I would say that is an excellent picture Andy!
 
  • #36
I'm using a different monitor than I normally do for my photography work (I'm in my office) and I'm noticing a lot of yellowish "flare" on my latest images of M-51 which just isn't there on my other monitors. Seeing as how the monitor I'm on now is new and has brilliant colors I'm guessing my monitor at home is a piece of junk. Does anyone else see this yellowish flare in these images?

Very nice Andy! Maybe you already mentioned it but what focal length are you using? 300-ish?
 
  • #37
Thanks, guys- it's a 400mm focal length lens.
 
  • #38
Here's the second batch of images, two-thirds of a 'deep sky survey': Blue are Messier objects, yellow are NGC:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2383/bigsky.jpg

The image size is close to twice a full 35mm frame size, call it a 2" x 3" image, covering about 8 degrees of the sky (is that the right unit? 0.0024 steradians...). I'm not sure I'll be able to get the segment including the Pinwheel galaxy before it gets too far into the light pollution- there's always next year, tho...

Some technical information- the brightest objects in these images are mag. 7 stars, the dimmest objects are around 15 magnitude- the image has a dynamic range of 8 magnitudes, or a SNR of 10^(8/2.5) = 1585 ~1600. This is an 8-bit image with a noise level is about 14 for a dynamic range of 255/14 = 18. That's what I mean when I say stacking compresses the dynamic range of images: stars from magnitude 7 - 10 are all clipped at white, the brighter stars (mag. 7, 8) are larger than the lower magnitude stars. Below 10, the stars resolve to Airy discs of uniform size (7 pixels FWHM here) and of varying brightness.
 
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  • #39
Wow Drakk that is a wicked photo(s)!

I'm shocked how clear that image is.
 

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