AMGM(n): Solving Problem 8 Part B

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The discussion revolves around problem 8 part b from a mathematical context, specifically focusing on the application of the Arithmetic Mean-Geometric Mean (AM-GM) inequality. Participants are exploring the transformation of expressions related to AMGM(n) and AMGM(n-1).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how the right-hand side (RHS) of the AMGM(n) expression transforms when moving to AMGM(n-1). Some participants suggest examining the left-hand side (LHS) and its relationship to the RHS, while others propose alternative forms of the inequality to facilitate understanding.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and exploring different approaches. Some have provided hints and suggestions for further exploration, indicating a collaborative effort to navigate the complexities of the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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There is a mention of specific constraints related to the problem setup, including the handling of nonnegative variables and the implications of applying certain transformations. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the manipulation of expressions and the implications of assumptions made during the problem-solving process.

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http://math.stanford.edu/~vakil/putnam07/07putnam1.pdf

Can someone help me with problem 8 part b?

I plugged that into AMGM(n) and the LHS easily transforms into the LHS of AMGM(n-1) but I am not sure how the RHS transforms to the RHS of AMGM(n-1). Specifically, what happens to the exponent?

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This is the famous Cauchy proof of Am-Gm. Post what you dd so far.
 
Again, I plugged in the hint to AMGM(n) and the LHS easily transforms into the LHS of AMGM(n-1).

So I have the LHS of AMGN(n-1) is greater than or equal to [tex](\frac{a_1...a_{n-1} (a_1+...+a{n-1})}{(n-1)})^{1/n}[/tex]

and I do not know where to go from there.
 
Work with
[tex]\left( \frac{\sum a_i}{n} \right)^n \geq \prod a_i[/tex]
instead.

Keep an eye on the possibility of canceling something convenient off both sides after you apply the hint.
 
After I apply the hint, it looks like this:

[tex]\left( \frac{\sum_{i=1}^{n-1} a_i}{n-1} \right)^n \geq 1/(n-1)\sum_{i=1}^{n-1} a_i \prod_{i=1}^{n-1} a_i[/tex]

which is the same as

[tex]\left( \frac{\sum_{i=1}^{n-1} a_i}{n-1} \right)^{n-1} \geq \prod_{i=1}^{n-1} a_i[/tex]

because everything is nonnegative.

On to part c).
 
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And of course I got stuck on part c) as well. I tried doing something similar like letting a_i = a_i + a_{n+i} or a_i = a_i *a_{i+n} but that only works for one side at a time. I tried to do the case k=2 "by hand" but there is the (a_1 +a_2+a_3+a_4)^4 part that is prohibitive. And I tried other stuff that was just as bad. So I am out of ideas.
 
Here, let's assume k=2 holds and show k=4.

[tex](a_1 a_2 b_1 b_2)^{1/4} = \left( (a_1 a_2)^{1/2} (b_1 b_2)^{1/2} \right)^{1/2} \leq \frac{(a_1 a_2)^{1/2} + (b_1 b_2)^{1/2}}{2}[/tex]

Can you take it from here?
 

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