Ampere's Law vs Biot-Savart arouns a Square

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a square loop of wire carrying a current and seeks to determine the magnetic field at the center of the loop. The context includes the application of Ampere's Law and the Biot-Savart Law in calculating magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the applicability of Ampere's Law versus the Biot-Savart Law for this specific geometry. Questions arise regarding the use of closed line integrals and the implications of enclosing net current.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring the differences between the two laws in this context, with some participants providing insights on why Ampere's Law may not be suitable for the square loop configuration. Guidance has been offered regarding the assumptions made when applying Ampere's Law.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the magnetic field is expected to vary inside and outside the loop, which complicates the use of Ampere's Law in this scenario.

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Homework Statement


A conductor in the shape of a square loop of edge length l = 0.360 m carries a current I = 10.0 A. Calculate the magnitude and direction of the magnetic field at the center of the square.


Homework Equations


∮B⃗ ⋅dr⃗ =μ0 Ienclosed Ampere's Law

B=μ04π ∫I dl⃗ ×rˆr2 Biot-Savart


The Attempt at a Solution



I have seen the solution and gotten the correct answer using the formula for the B field surrounding a long, thin, conductor, derived from the Biot-Savart law.
B=(mu_0*I)/(2*pi*a) , where a is the distance from the wire to point in question.
My question is why is not possible to use Ampere's law to solve this problem. I am still in the process of tying to learn/understand Ampere's law.

Thank you
 
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teroenza said:
My question is why is not possible to use Ampere's law to solve this problem. I am still in the process of tying to learn/understand Ampere's law.

How would you use Ampere's Law?

ehild
 
By taking the closed line integral around the square, but that would enclose no net current. If I took the closed path for the line integral to be around the wire perpendicular to the current flow I get the same formula as that derived from Biot-Savart. However I then can't then seem to take into account the 4 lengths.
 
When we use Ampere's Law to calculate the magnetic field around an infinite line of current we assume that B is tangential to the integration path (a circle) and uniform in magnitude. It is not valid in this case. You do not know B, it is certainly different inside the loop and outside, so you cannot calculate the line integral.

ehild
 
Thank you very much.
 

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